# NightRabbit-When did you realize, vis-a-vis other kids, that you are a piece of shit? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 28, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096 "2008-03-28T20:11:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/61 "2008-03-29T14:40:06Z")
[QUOTE=NightRabbit] I love everyone accusing me of “spewing” crap or “spreading” ignorance. [/QUOTE] Could it possible be because the shoe fits? Holy shit. How the fuck can you get out of bed in the morning, let alone make breakfast and get off to your temp job? If you just find things strange, then tell us what happened. What is the alternative? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/62 "2008-03-29T17:38:29Z")
[QUOTE=George Kaplin] Yeah, well if (and I emphasise ‘if’) **NightRabbit** is a “truther” then she’ll continue to think she’s right until the heat death of the universe. There is no debating such people. The best thing to do is make fun of them and insult them until they become convinced that their pet theory is socially unacceptable and that it is so embarrassing to hold such opinions that they simply never dare to venture them. It’s harsh, but at least it keeps the madness confined to the insides of their own skulls where it can’t hurt or annoy anybody else. [/QUOTE] Well, like I said, I have no problem with people choosing to be insulting, other than I don’t think it’ll work (or at least, I think convincing someone their theories are socially unacceptable is not always a good thing). Go right for it! My problem is when people claim - like the OP - that they very much would like to debate and discuss with the person in question but _also_ insult the hell out of them. Insults alone, go for it. Debating alone, feel free. Offering to debate whilst phrasing it as insultingly as possible just isn’t going to work. [QUOTE=Cisco] No, because deep down she already knows I’m right. If she has half a brain (I’m giving her the benefit of the doubt here and assuming she does), she knew I was right within an hour of ever hearing the 9/11 conspiracy theories. At this point she’s spewing hate because she’s hateful and willfully ignorant. [/QUOTE] Ah, gotcha. And the reason _you’re_ spewing hate is…? I’m hoping it makes you feel better, because it - as I believe it’s been shown by now - is getting you absolutely nowhere as it comes to “not letting it fly on the SD-goddam-MB”. You’ve cloaked yourself in the reasonability and pursuit of knowledge that is the general idea of the boards (if less so in practical terms), further claimed that you’re acting in the spirit of the SDMB, and then entirely thrown that away for a few cheap insults and cursing. To paint yourself an avatar of ideals, only to throw those ideals away while still saying you embody them, is far more unimpressive in my eyes than simply being wrong. Like i’ve said; I have zero problem with you swearing up a storm, pointing the finger, and accusing someone of being a piece of shit, a liar, being hateful, whatever floats your boat. But to do it at the same time as claiming you want reasonability, debate, discussing? It’s silly. An OP of “You’re a complete idiot!” = fine. An OP of “I think you’re wrong, here’s why, debate this, please” = fine. An OP of “I think you’re wrong, come and debate me, you piece of shit” = gets no-one nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/63 "2008-03-29T17:46:40Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] And the reason _you’re_ spewing hate is…? I’m hoping it makes you feel better, because it - as I believe it’s been shown by now - is getting you absolutely nowhere as it comes to “not letting it fly on the SD-goddam-MB”. You’ve cloaked yourself in the reasonability and pursuit of knowledge that is the general idea of the boards (if less so in practical terms), further claimed that you’re acting in the spirit of the SDMB, and then entirely thrown that away for a few cheap insults and cursing. To paint yourself an avatar of ideals, only to throw those ideals away while still saying you embody them, is far more unimpressive in my eyes than simply being wrong. Like i’ve said; I have zero problem with you swearing up a storm, pointing the finger, and accusing someone of being a piece of shit, a liar, being hateful, whatever floats your boat. But to do it at the same time as claiming you want reasonability, debate, discussing? It’s silly. An OP of “You’re a complete idiot!” = fine. An OP of “I think you’re wrong, here’s why, debate this, please” = fine. An OP of “I think you’re wrong, come and debate me, you piece of shit” = gets no-one nowhere. [/QUOTE] Is all this because I said “debate it” in the OP? You don’t think I’m stupid enough to believe NightRabbit can or will defend her position in anything resembling a reasoned debate, do you? Like Frylock, you obviously don’t have much experience dealing with conspiracy theorists. If this were my first, or tenth, or fiftieth time dealing with one of these nuts this thread would be in GD instead of the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/64 "2008-03-29T17:51:59Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] And the reason _you’re_ spewing hate is…? [/QUOTE] Sorry, I forgot to address this. It’s because she’s pissing on history, and truth, and most importantly the graves of 3,000 innocent people. All because she’s either unfathomably intellectually lazy, or a liar, or has beef with the Bush admin. Take your pick, or make up another reason, none of them justify her behavior. And no matter how much she screams to the contrary, she is attempting to spray her piss onto bystanders by posting links to 9/11 “truth” sites and continuing to snipe talking points. That’s why I’m spewing hate. I hate her and her kind. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/65 "2008-03-29T17:59:24Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] Is all this because I said “debate it” in the OP? You don’t think I’m stupid enough to believe NightRabbit can or will defend her position in anything resembling a reasoned debate, do you? Like Frylock, you obviously don’t have much experience dealing with conspiracy theorists. If this were my first, or tenth, or fiftieth time dealing with one of these nuts this thread would be in GD instead of the pit. [/QUOTE] Well, I wouldn’t characterise it as stupid, but you certainly seem to think it’s worth of debate. After all, you tried in the IMHO thread, providing counter-arguments and cites. You claimed you were interested in seeing her try to defend \*her \* claims, so I would guess you _are_ in fact interested. So yes, I suppose I did rather jump to the conclusion that you wanted to debate her, given that you had said you wanted to and that you had in fact already tried to in IMHO. Call me foolish, but if I see someone claim they want to do something and actually end up doing it as well, I tend to assume that’s what they want. Edit; > [@](#): > > Sorry, I forgot to address this. > > It’s because she’s pissing on history, and truth, and most importantly the graves of 3,000 innocent people. All because she’s either unfathomably intellectually lazy, or a liar, or has beef with the Bush admin. Take your pick, or make up another reason, none of them justify her behavior. And no matter how much she screams to the contrary, she is attempting to spray her piss onto bystanders by posting links to 9/11 “truth” sites and continuing to snipe talking points. That’s why I’m spewing hate. I hate her and her kind. Great! That’s getting you where, exactly? I mean, I assume you want her to _stop_ pissing, and generally the magnanimous approach of pissing on her yourself doesn’t solve the problem; it just means everyone’s wet. And somewhat smelly. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/66 "2008-03-29T18:01:35Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] Well, I wouldn’t characterise it as stupid, but you certainly seem to think it’s worth of debate. After all, you tried in the IMHO thread, providing counter-arguments and cites. You claimed you were interested in seeing her try to defend \*her \* claims, so I would guess you _are_ in fact interested. So yes, I suppose I did rather jump to the conclusion that you wanted to debate her, given that you had said you wanted to and that you had in fact already tried to in IMHO. Call me foolish, but if I see someone claim they want to do something and actually end up doing it as well, I tend to assume that’s what they want. [/QUOTE] Or it could be to demonstrate to those on the sidelines that she _can’t_. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/67 "2008-03-29T18:09:08Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] Edit; Great! That’s getting you where, exactly? I mean, I assume you want her to _stop_ pissing, and generally the magnanimous approach of pissing on her yourself doesn’t solve the problem; it just means everyone’s wet. And somewhat smelly. [/QUOTE] Oh but I know she won’t. She’ll likely stop pissing in front of us now, but 6 months from now, somewhere else, someone will bring up 9/11 and she’ll say I know of these interesting websites . . . This will happen no matter what goes on here. I’ve seen CTers completely agree 100% with realists just to shut them up, and then turn right around and spit CTs out of the other side of their mouths to people they think will be more receptive. The type of person that is willing to believe this stuff in the face of all logic is going to continue to believe this stuff in the face of all logic for the rest of their life. You have a chance at changing someone who has believed for a few weeks or months - it could be a phase they’re going through - but NightRabbit has admitedly believed for years. I’ve been involved in the 9/11 debate for awhile now. I was **extremely** patient, reasoned, calm, and giving with a close personal friend of mine and after several months I still lost him as a friend. You cannot reason a person out of a position that they did not reason themself into. So consider this the George Kaplin approach. ---
**Author:** ![supergoose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@supergoose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/supergoose)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/68 "2008-03-29T18:27:10Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] It’s because she’s pissing on history, and truth, and most importantly the graves of 3,000 innocent people. All because she’s either unfathomably intellectually lazy, or a liar, or has beef with the Bush admin. Take your pick, or make up another reason, none of them justify her behavior. And no matter how much she screams to the contrary, she is attempting to spray her piss onto bystanders by posting links to 9/11 “truth” sites and continuing to snipe talking points. That’s why I’m spewing hate. I hate her and her kind. [/QUOTE] Would you mind elaborating? Unless she’s convinced that all of the people who purportedly died are not in fact dead or never even existed, which I don’t see, I don’t understand how she’s pissing on their graves. They died horribly. They would have died just as horribly, tragically, and unnecessarily whether or not any of her suspicions are true. Hell, if the airplanes had crashed accidentally, they would still have died horribly. How does the motivation or reasoning behind the crashes change that? If she’s pissing on anyone, its the people whose motives she’s impugning, not their innocent victims. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/69 "2008-03-29T18:30:55Z")
[QUOTE=supergoose] Would you mind elaborating? Unless she’s convinced that all of the people who purportedly died are not in fact dead or never even existed, which I don’t see, I don’t understand how she’s pissing on their graves. They died horribly. They would have died just as horribly, tragically, and unnecessarily whether or not any of her suspicions are true. Hell, if the airplanes had crashed accidentally, they would still have died horribly. How does the motivation or reasoning behind the crashes change that? If she’s pissing on anyone, its the people whose motives she’s impugning, not their innocent victims. [/QUOTE] Because to suggest they were murdered by members of the government (or worse, were involved in some planned detonation/missile attack) is just beyond stupid. That someone could be so stupid is insulting to me as a member of the human race. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/70 "2008-03-29T18:41:11Z")
She is also laying the blame at the feet of innocent people to the tune of exonerating the real murderers. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/71 "2008-03-29T18:45:39Z")
[QUOTE=Sleeps With Butterflies] Not on the SD-goddamnnMB makes me cackle with laughter. What an ass. [/QUOTE] Tell ya what. You stand by and watch while someone who claims to be smarter than the other kids does [this](http://www.livevideo.com/video/EC7DFA52A0534057990419D1E8CE33C1/hippo-spray.aspx), and I’ll call her on it. Then we’ll all be happy. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/72 "2008-03-29T18:46:26Z")
[QUOTE=Rilchiam] The Pentagon has five sides. One of those sides included the “newly constructed area that [wasn’t] yet fully staffed or operational.” 1/5 is still pretty short odds. [/QUOTE] And maybe, in a rare act of intelligent thought, the Pentagon thought the highest priority for construction was the side facing the flight path of commercial air traffic. ---
**Author:** ![NightRabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bbce88/32.png) [@NightRabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NightRabbit)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/73 "2008-03-29T18:52:30Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] I’ve been involved in the 9/11 debate for awhile now. I was **extremely** patient, reasoned, calm, and giving with a close personal friend of mine and after several months I still lost him as a friend. You cannot reason a person out of a position that they did not reason themself into. So consider this the George Kaplin approach. [/QUOTE] Well, if you couldn’t respect the beliefs of your close personal friend, how can I ever expect you to respect mine? Or anyone else’s on this board? It sounds like you’re dragging me into a personal agenda of yours, and that makes your hyperbole a little more understandable. You’re trying your HARDEST to make me into one of the conspiracy theorists for you to vilify. From one to ten on the 9/11 conspiracy theory belief scale, I’m down at the bottom. You’re making me into a ten, and that’s simply not accurate, so go rail against the people who deserve it, but take a second to realize that I"m not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![NightRabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bbce88/32.png) [@NightRabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NightRabbit)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/74 "2008-03-29T18:54:20Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] You have a chance at changing someone who has believed for a few weeks or months - it could be a phase they’re going through - but NightRabbit has admitedly believed for years. [/QUOTE] I don’t BELIEVE anything. I have been UNCERTAIN for years. Please recognize the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/75 "2008-03-29T18:55:36Z")
[QUOTE=NightRabbit] It sounds like you’re dragging me into a personal agenda of yours, and that makes your hyperbole a little more understandable. You’re trying your HARDEST to make me into one of the conspiracy theorists for you to vilify. From one to ten on the 9/11 conspiracy theory belief scale, I’m down at the bottom. You’re making me into a ten, and that’s simply not accurate, so go rail against the people who deserve it, but take a second to realize that I"m not one of them. [/QUOTE] Yes you are. Sorry, but you haven’t addressed a single one of my points about “Just asking questions!” “I don’t really care about it all that much (but I will continue to spout my ignorance anyway” and so on. You are “one of them”. Not the worst, by any means, but just because the turd I left today doesn’t stink quite as badly as the one I left yesterday doesn’t make me want to keep it around any longer. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/76 "2008-03-29T18:57:52Z")
[QUOTE=NightRabbit] I don’t BELIEVE anything. I have been UNCERTAIN for years. Please recognize the difference. [/QUOTE] Bull. Shit. Please see my previous post with all the assertions you made in the other thread. You believed that section of the Pentagon was vacant of ANY employees. You believe it’s a little too “convenient” that section was hit. You believe the government should have known it was going to happen. You’re lying through your teeth. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/77 "2008-03-29T19:01:57Z")
[QUOTE=NightRabbit] I don’t BELIEVE anything. I have been UNCERTAIN for years. Please recognize the difference. [/QUOTE] Once more, with emphasis… What. Do. You. Think. Happened. On. Nine. Eleven? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/78 "2008-03-29T19:27:24Z")
[QUOTE=NightRabbit] Well, if you couldn’t respect the beliefs of your close personal friend, how can I ever expect you to respect mine? [/QUOTE] I DON’T respect your beliefs! I didn’t respect my friend’s beliefs either - because they’re wrong and offensive - but I had a lot of respect for him and I showed it. I slowly, carefully, peacefully attempted to guide him towards the truth, but just like you he didn’t want to hear it. The fantasy is more fun. It’s more exciting. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/79 "2008-03-29T19:33:11Z")
[QUOTE=NightRabbit] If anyone REALLY CARES (which I doubt, and I don’t know why I’m being harangued about it, except for the sake of being prodded and insulted by zealots who get some sort of enjoyment from intellectually berating the admittedly undecided), at the bottom of it, I really don’t trust that, if the Bush administration could send 4000 troops off to die for their agenda in Iraq, I don’t see how it’s so impossible that they would sacrifice however many more that died in the WTC in order to predicate a reason to go into the area to begin with. [/QUOTE] I doubt I’ll get an actual answer to this, but here goes: If the goal of the Bush administration in perpetrating a conspiracy on 9/11 was to precipitate a war with Iraq, why didn’t they bother to create some evidence to actually connect Iraq with 9/11? It would’ve made selling the war even easier and avoided that whole distraction of having to first go to Afghanistan and deal with al-Qaeda. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096/80 "2008-03-29T19:34:18Z")
[QUOTE=supergoose] Would you mind elaborating? Unless she’s convinced that all of the people who purportedly died are not in fact dead or never even existed, which I don’t see, I don’t understand how she’s pissing on their graves. They died horribly. They would have died just as horribly, tragically, and unnecessarily whether or not any of her suspicions are true. Hell, if the airplanes had crashed accidentally, they would still have died horribly. How does the motivation or reasoning behind the crashes change that? If she’s pissing on anyone, its the people whose motives she’s impugning, not their innocent victims. [/QUOTE] Sorry for all the erratic posting but I’m running errands and doing yardwork and posting in between. She didn’t think anyone died at the Pentagon. The conspiracists want you to believe this. They want to take the focus off the victims and put it on the government. I have no doubt she read on some conspiracy site that no one died there because that would be _a little too convenient, mmmm?_ (which was her exact argument in the other thread.) That’s why it’s pissing on the graves. Many conspiracy arguments implicitly or explicitly require FDNY cooperation. Many of them involve no plane or an empty plane hitting the pentagon. Many of them involve United 93 landing in Cleveland, or some other undisclosed location. This is all grave-pissing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nightrabbit-when-did-you-realize-vis-a-vis-other-kids-that-you-are-a-piece-of-shit/443096.md?page=5)