# Nikki Haley announces US presidential run for 2024 (Not Trump please) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953 "2023-02-17T17:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/1 "2023-02-17T17:04:30Z")
I think the fact that no one had started a topic yet on this here says a lot. I don’t think she has any chance at all of getting the nomination. I’m no expert on her, but here is my hot take on the reasons why she can’t win: \*She’s not crazy enough for the GOP crazies, yet she is far from clean when it comes to Trump. She pleases particularly no one inside or outside the GOP in this regard. \*I caught a tiny clip of her announcement speech. It was enough. She’s not a great speaker. She has no charisma. \*She has no angle that makes her seem superior to other potential GOP candidates. She’s boring. I suppose in her favor is the fact that, at 51, she is mature enough but still young compared to Trump, Biden, etc. Those are my thoughts. What are yours? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![dolphinboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dolphinboy/32/330_2.png) [@dolphinboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolphinboy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/2 "2023-02-17T17:14:32Z")
She’s a female, and that works against her for lots of voters in both parties. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/3 "2023-02-17T17:15:13Z")
She was criticized by some jerk on right wing radio (was it Ann Coulter?) for taking down the Confederate flags at the South Carolina capital. So, yeah, not crazy enough. Her approach seems to be “Trump was great, but it’s time to move on to the next generation.” ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/4 "2023-02-17T17:16:31Z")
I thought she was running to be Trump’s VP? kidding (not kidding) ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/5 "2023-02-17T17:18:22Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > She was criticized by some jerk on right wing radio (was it Ann Coulter?) for taking down the Confederate flags at the South Carolina capital. So, yeah, not crazy enough. Yeah, she doesn’t seem to fit in either party, really. > [@](#): > > Her approach seems to be “Trump was great, but it’s time to move on to the next generation.” Which is _exactly_ what the majority of the GOP is prepared to hear right now. /s Until they clear the Trump infection, they have no chance of nominating a viable candidate (I don’t think DeSantis has any chance in the general election either, though he may very well snag the nomination). ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/6 "2023-02-17T17:18:38Z")
A governor of South Carolina and then US Ambassador to the UN. Big supporter of Israel adds more than it subtracts I believe, especially for a Republican nomination. Under 60 is really huge at this point after Trump & Biden. She is non-white and a woman. So in theory a plus with the left. She does not come across as an idiot like Palin does. She actually has more “charisma” than Biden or HRC. Though far from Trump and Obama. Somewhere in the middle of the spectrum of boring knowledgeable wonks and either excellent speakers or excellent rabble-rousers. She has solid pro-life credentials for the Republican base. Probably doesn’t hurt she can get her brother, a veteran of Desert Storm to campaign for her. I forgot, she converted to Christianity when she got married in the 90s. That will be big for her base. Her husband served in Afghanistan while she was Governor. So kudos for that. I think she is overall a fairly legit candidate for the Republican ticker but would **be terrible as a President for the same reason**. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/7 "2023-02-17T17:23:04Z")
Not kidding. Trump has refused to give her a nick name and said that if she wanted to run, no big deal. She is a white, conservative female that given Trumps blessing would make a fine running mate that would be acceptable to the MAGA’s. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/8 "2023-02-17T17:27:32Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > She is a white Yeah, no. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/9 "2023-02-17T17:28:21Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > A governor of South Carolina and then US Ambassador to the UN. Yes, she’s done enough to be a believable candidate in this respect. > [@](#): > > Big supporter of Israel adds more than it subtracts I believe, especially for a Republican nomination. Right. > [@](#): > > Under 60 is really huge at this point after Trump & Biden. I do think this is one of her biggest strengths. She is in the sweet spot of age. She looks mature enough to seem “presidential” but still has youth to her. She is also reasonably good-looking (not that appearance should matter, but it does help). > [@](#): > > She is non-white and a woman. So in theory a plus with the left. That could help in the general, but does it help or hurt in the primary? I don’t really know. > [@](#): > > She does not come across as an idiot like Palin does. Not at all. She’s another intelligent Republican who couldn’t say no to Trump. > [@](#): > > She actually has more “charisma” than Biden or HRC. Though far from Trump and Obama. Somewhere in the middle of the spectrum of boring knowledgeable wonks and either excellent speakers or excellent rabble-rousers. I disagree here. I think Biden, for all his flaws, has some gravitas, and Haley just doesn’t seem quite there. I think DeSantis is lacking as well, FWIW. (Trump is a totally different animal. He has evil demagogue charisma.) > [@](#): > > She has solid pro-life credentials for the Republican base. > Probably doesn’t hurt she can get her brother, a veteran of Desert Storm to campaign for her. Makes sense. > [@](#): > > I think she is overall a fairly legit candidate for the Republican ticker but would be terrible as a President for the same reason. Yeah, she’s believable as a candidate–not ridiculous at all. But I think she is completely lacking in “secret sauce”–there’s nothing there for the GOP base to get excited about. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/10 "2023-02-17T17:29:23Z")
Some of the RW circular firing squad are already jumping on: > Nimrata Nikki Haley (née Randhawa) ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/11 "2023-02-17T17:30:31Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Not kidding. Trump has refused to give her a nick name and said that if she wanted to run, no big deal. She is a white, conservative female that given Trumps blessing would make a fine running mate that would be acceptable to the MAGA’s. So maybe Trump is holding her in reserve as a running mate choice? That seems possible. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/12 "2023-02-17T17:30:41Z")
But she looks white, which is enough to satisfy the right. If they can justify saying Obama wasn’t born here then they can paint her as a white christen female from the south. Repeat it enough times and it becomes the Truth. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/13 "2023-02-17T17:31:31Z")
Yup, anything is whatever they want it to be. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/14 "2023-02-17T17:34:02Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > But she looks white, which is enough to satisfy the right. Or not. > **[Ann Coulter tells Nikki Haley to ‘go back to your own country’ in racist rant...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/ann-coulter-tells-nikki-haley-go-back-country-racist-rant-new-gop-pres-rcna71119)** > > “What’s with the worshipping of the cows? They’re all starving over there," Coulter also said. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/15 "2023-02-17T17:35:59Z")
In truth, I agree with that, but I think it’s contingent upon the GOP Powers That Be deciding to anoint her. If/once anointed, she will have no flaws, can do no wrong, and walk on water. But early indicators – AFAICT – are that she is NOT the chosen one – at least not for the top of the ticket. Time will tell and that’s subject to change. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/16 "2023-02-17T17:36:30Z")
Republicans used Barack Obama’s middle name to discredit him. They’re definitely going to use Haley’s first and maiden names. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/17 "2023-02-17T17:39:01Z")
Nikki in the race helps Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/18 "2023-02-17T17:39:31Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > In truth, I agree with that, but I think it’s contingent upon the GOP Powers That Be deciding to anoint her. > > If/once anointed, she will have no flaws, can do no wrong, and walk on water. Indeed. And suddenly Hannity and Carlson will LUV LUV LUV her and propagandize for her 24/7/365. ---
**Author:** ![Dorjan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dorjan/32/12440_2.png) [@Dorjan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dorjan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/19 "2023-02-17T17:44:25Z")
She’s female and not-white. Dems are not going to vote for her because she threw her lot in with the Republican Party. She’s useful to the MAGA set up, mainly for optics, up to a certain point. Being POTUS though is past that point. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/20 "2023-02-17T17:55:24Z")
I think she simply made a devil’s bargain. She and Trump have worked out a deal where she’ll act as spoiler to DeSantis, pulling enough votes from him to help Trump gain the nomination. In exchange, Trump will consider her for his VP. (He’d probably renege on any understanding the two of them may have in order to pick someone more fawning. What will Boris Epshteyn be doing by then, I wonder?) In the end, I don’t believe Trump will be the nominee. Too much powerful money pointed elsewhere – and that’s before we consider Trump being mired in, shall we say, legal baggage. So Haley may believe she’ll be well positioned to assume the mantle if that’s the case when the time comes. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=2)