# Nikki Haley announces US presidential run for 2024 (Not Trump please) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953 "2023-02-17T17:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/241 "2024-01-08T21:39:05Z")
Just a video of Trump saying “I don’t think it’s going to have much of an impact but you know, I’d say slavery is sort of the obvious answer as opposed to about three paragraphs of bullshit”. And the link just goes to twitter, is that bad? ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/242 "2024-01-08T21:44:41Z")
(I’m on a public wifi at an elementary school; the warning is probably coming from there.) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/243 "2024-01-08T23:01:13Z")
Describing the link, what it says, when you post it is not too much to ask, jesus jumping garcia. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/244 "2024-01-08T23:34:29Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > And the link just goes to twitter, is that bad? We have a whole thread in the Pit that’s largely discussing such a thing… 😉 > [@bobot](#): > > Describing the link, what it says, when you post it is not too much to ask, jesus jumping garcia. Or post a bare link so that Discourse can render the preview for everyone like so. > ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/245 "2024-01-08T23:57:57Z")
Gotta say, that was good on whoever his speechwriter was, and why not, on him for not bolloxing up the line. It’s in a way the gag about the Simpsons citizenship test: just say ‘slavery’ and move the hell on. > [@JohnGalt](#): > > I’m on a public wifi at an elementary school Which I really can’t blame for being wary of links to Xwitter. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/246 "2024-01-09T00:59:57Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Once Nixon resigned, left office, and was pardoned, he quietly retired to his home in California and was rarely in the news again. I still remember a comedian saying, after his resignation: “You’ve got to feel sorry for Tricky Dick. From leader of the free world to just a guy walking the beach at San Clemente… with his metal detector.” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/247 "2024-01-09T16:56:11Z")
Apparently, Haley is still trying to have her Trump cake and eat it too. She’s edging close to criticizing him, but not enough to lose appeal to MAGA voters. I’m not sure this wobbly path will work out well for her. > **[Nikki Haley ramps up criticism of Donald Trump days away from Iowa caucuses](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nikki-haley-donald-trump-criticism-iowa-caucuses/)** > > Haley, who served as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations under Trump, has sought to walk the fine line between criticizing the former president and courting his voters. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/248 "2024-01-10T08:24:42Z")
Good article on Slate about Haley’s phoniness and why it’s not working for her now: > **[The Real Lesson of Nikki Haley’s Civil War Gaffe](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/01/nikki-haley-civil-war-gaffe-race-iowa-new-hampshire.html)** > > The episode was a perfect illustration of the biggest problem she faces as a presidential candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/249 "2024-01-10T09:53:05Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I still remember a comedian saying, after his resignation: “You’ve got to feel sorry for Tricky Dick. From leader of the free world to just a guy walking the beach at San Clemente… with his metal detector.” You may be thinking of none other than Steve Martin. (Jump to 12:00 if this link isn’t cued up.) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/WPgurvq6MIU/maxresdefault.jpg "Let's Get Small") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPgurvq6MIU&t=720) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/250 "2024-01-10T12:11:27Z")
Now Trump’s starting up “birther” claims against Haley. I’m sure she still supports him as a Presidential candidate. It’s nothing personal, after all. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/251 "2024-01-10T14:44:47Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Good article on Slate about Haley’s phoniness and why it’s not working for her now: > > [Nikki Haley: Her Civil War gaffe perfectly illustrates her biggest problem as a presidential candidate.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/01/nikki-haley-civil-war-gaffe-race-iowa-new-hampshire.html) One of the things that helped trump get started was that somehow his unabashed bullshit with no filters felt “genuine” to the audience even as it was patently false. The public, or at least a significant segment of it, has tired of being told vague evasive platitudes. Somehow unequivocal loud BS is a happy contrast to that. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/252 "2024-01-10T15:13:41Z")
I don’t think this has yet been mentioned, but Nikki is moving up in the polls. She’s still behind Trump, but is ahead of Ronnie in both Iowa and NH. One poll shows her within 7 points of Trump in NH. [Nikki Haley closing gap with Trump in New Hampshire, new poll shows | KMPH](https://kmph.com/news/nation-world/nikki-haley-closing-gap-with-trump-in-new-hampshire-new-poll-shows-president-2024-gop-iowa-super-tuesday-south-carolina-desantis-christina-vivek-ramaswamy-joe-biden-white-house-politics) As we have seen in the past, one or two strong showings in early primaries can go a long way for a candidate. I don’t much like Haley, but considering the alternative… ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/253 "2024-01-10T15:17:43Z")
That might be the most Presidential thing he’s ever said. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/254 "2024-01-10T17:25:38Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The public, or at least a significant segment of it, has tired of being told vague evasive platitudes. Somehow unequivocal loud BS is a happy contrast to that. Absolutely great point. I too would like a president who can avoid “politician speak” while actually telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/255 "2024-01-10T17:25:48Z")
Pretty much! ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/256 "2024-01-10T18:10:44Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > One of the things that helped trump get started was that somehow his unabashed bullshit with no filters felt “genuine” to the audience even as it was patently false. It kind of was genuine and funny as hell until it became real. He broke the unwritten rules because he didn’t give a fuck. The other candidates were relatively hands off because they didn’t want to be left out in the cold should one of the other people win. By the time they realized what was happening, it was too late. He caught lightning in a bottle. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/257 "2024-01-10T18:39:40Z")
The “trick” with speaking unfiltered is that it’s real easy to tell your audience what they want to hear as long as nobody else can credibly tell them you’re wrong / lying. If Trump had been speaking to his white supremacist audience and told then the unfiltered truth in his bold bluff manner that Black Americans are exactly as American as they are and the Whites just need to get over themselves, that probably would not have gone down as well as what he did say. So instead he told them that only White Americans are actual Americans, the crowd roared their approval, and nobody that crowd would listen to existed to tell them they’d been lied to. Demagoguery only works inside an information monopoly. The “genius” of the whole RW apparatus is building the propaganda walls first, then suborning the susceptible portion of the public who’re voluntarily clustering inside those walls. They’re not leaving until somebody blows up those walls. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/258 "2024-01-10T19:01:35Z")
Your observations are sharp, sir! ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/259 "2024-01-10T19:16:00Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Demagoguery only works inside an information monopoly. I disagree, especially in this day and age there is no information monopoly in politics. It works if your target is information adverse. When President Trump came out as a homophobe it would not have been hard to look up 6 months prior when Candidate Trump was against NC’s bathroom law saying that it doesn’t matter what bathroom people use. But of course they didn’t look it up. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/260 "2024-01-10T19:27:33Z")
There’s not a great deal of difference in _behavior_ between people, like those in NK, who _cannot_ obtain alternate versions of the news, and those, like Faux’s audience, who _refuse to_ obtain alternate versions of the news. In each case the news they get totally shapes their perception of reality. You’re right the set-up is different. But the outcome is the same. You don’t need a big fence around your yard if you can persuade your dog to stay in the yard without it. Starting with roughly Limbaugh, it became _fun_ (and very comfortable) to stay in the RW propaganda yard rather than exploring the larger world of complex ambiguous news & uncomfortable facts. Now 25 years and one generation hence, it’s unclear to me what steps could be taken to get the kids to go outside the yard and play out there instead. But I’m all ears if anyone has any bright ideas. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=14)