# Nikki Haley announces US presidential run for 2024 (Not Trump please) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953 "2023-02-17T17:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/281 "2024-01-12T17:54:41Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > It’s better for Haley to win the nomination and potentially beat Biden than for Trump to win it and have even the slightest chance. It’s better for Trump to lose the nomination and be thought a threat to democracy than to win it and remove all doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/282 "2024-01-12T18:01:25Z")
Amen to that! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/283 "2024-01-12T21:00:01Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > It’s better for Haley to win the nomination and potentially beat Biden than for Trump to win it and have even the slightest chance. Yeah. I don’t care much for her and I certainly wouldn’t vote for her but I think the country could still be fairly normal with her as POTUS. There is no way it would be if Trump got another term. Especially since it probably means all of his serious crimes are being ignored. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/284 "2024-01-12T21:29:53Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Haley is the least offensive Republican by far. It would suck if she won but she’s not an existential threat. I do not like her politics, but it does seem she is sane. So was Christie. DeSantis is not. It would be bad should she get into the White House, but Democracy would not end. > [@Aeschines](#): > > It’s better for Haley to win the nomination and potentially beat Biden than for Trump to win it and have even the slightest chance Yep. > [@Aeschines](#): > > I do think, however, that Biden would handily trounce her no matter what. I concur. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/285 "2024-01-12T23:30:13Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > It’s better for Haley to win the nomination and potentially beat Biden than for Trump to win it and have even the slightest chance. I basically agree with this. We have to remember that if Trump IS the GOP candidate, there are all kinds of people who can help him get votes he wouldn’t get without their help. There will be shenanigans with ballots that we haven’t even dreamed of, yet, in addition to the kind of stuff we saw in 2020 (“guarding” drop boxes and the like). He could win with only 30% of the legitimate vote, what with the distorting factors of the Electoral College and the potential shenanigans. It’s too much of a chance to take. If there’s any way that Haley (or equivalent) could win, we have to hope that it will go down that way. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/286 "2024-01-12T23:47:34Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Haley is the least offensive Republican by far. It would suck if she won but she’s not an existential threat. As [Republican P.J. O’Rourke](https://www.npr.org/2016/05/09/477339063/conservative-author-pj-orourke-reluctantly-backs-clinton) put it about deciding to vote for Hillary Clinton: > She’s wrong about absolutely everything, but she’s wrong within normal parameters. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/287 "2024-01-13T00:23:56Z")
Exactly! I almost made that exact same reference ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/288 "2024-01-15T15:45:38Z")
I think she’s trying to be too cute by half. She wants to pass herself off as the sane alternative to the criminally insane, but she also tells her crowds that she thought that DJT was the best president for the time. Bullshit- there never has been nor will there ever be a time where Donnie would be the best president. She’s trying to run against the mob leader while trying not to offend the lynch mob. Christie may have fizzled out, but at least he wasn’t afraid to tell us that the former emperor had no clothes. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/289 "2024-01-15T15:49:03Z")
PJ O’Rourke may well have been the last sane (and funny) republican. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/290 "2024-01-15T17:22:49Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > How well did “OMG look at the insane thing Trump said NOW” coverage work towards alerting people to the danger in 2016? “Conventional wisdom” is that it only gave him free publicity. I truly wish that any media aspiring towards being relatively nonpartisan both lessen the references to Trump - no, I do not consider his every utterance to be legitimate “news” - and to preface any reference to Trump and his campaign with a reference to his being an unprecedented threat to democracy as we have known it for the past 150 years. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/291 "2024-01-15T17:37:38Z")
Exactly. He needs to be identified as illegitimate at every possible opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/292 "2024-01-15T19:56:10Z")
Latest Iowa poll is: Trump - 52.7% Haley - 18.7% DeSantis - 15.8% Ramaswami - 6.4% Hutchinson - 0.7% Trump is at his highest level since they started polling in June. > **[Iowa : President: Republican primary : 2024 Polls](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/iowa/)** > > The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/293 "2024-01-15T20:00:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > she cant really debate an empty chair. Clint Eastwood did. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/294 "2024-01-15T20:20:00Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Trump - 52.7% > Haley - 18.7% > DeSantis - 15.8% > Ramaswami - 6.4% > Hutchinson - 0.7% > > Trump is at his highest level since they started polling in June. I honestly thought you were going to say that about Hutchinson. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/295 "2024-01-15T20:42:24Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Haley is the least offensive Republican by far. It would suck if she won but she’s not an existential threat. Are we sure about that? I think the whole party is an existential threat and see no reason why she would be any different. Trump is a symptom of what the GOP has become, not the cause. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/296 "2024-01-15T20:53:20Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I honestly thought you were going to say that about Hutchinson. Ok, that’s funny! ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/297 "2024-01-15T22:12:51Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Clint Eastwood did. And still lost. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/298 "2024-01-15T23:20:28Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > Haley is the least offensive Republican by far. It would suck if she won but she’s not an existential threat. > > Are we sure about that? I think the whole party is an existential threat and see no reason why she would be any different. Trump is a symptom of what the GOP has become, not the cause. Yes, Haley would be all-in on turning Social Security into a profit-making scheme for corporations, ending Medicaid and eventually Medicare, keeping women fully second-class citizens (and pumping out babies), and making sure taxes on the working class double, triple, quadruple…etc. She’s the creature of the Kochs and their ilk, 100%. I will acquit her of planning to declare herself President-for-Life. But in every other way, she will be very, very close to being ‘as bad as Trump.’ ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/299 "2024-01-15T23:29:39Z")
In other words she’d be about a bad as Bush was. That’s a very good reason not to vote for her. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/300 "2024-01-16T01:42:47Z")
I have no intention of voting for her. She’s just objectively much better than Trump. She won’t start an insurrection at least which admittedly is a low bar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=16)