# Nikki Haley announces US presidential run for 2024 (Not Trump please) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953 "2023-02-17T17:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/321 "2024-01-16T15:13:45Z")
They might hold out until SCOTUS makes its decision on 2/8 ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/322 "2024-01-16T15:43:59Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > She was the governor of SC. I assume she’ll do well there but I can’t predict anything these days As I understand it, the evangelical vote is crucial in SC and she just doesn’t have it. The last few days in IA when she got some negative comments from DJT I think sealed her fate there. The challenge is for her to demonstrate that she can in anywhere but NH and I don’t see where she would. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/323 "2024-01-16T16:09:15Z")
She trails Trump by 30 points in SC Republican primary polling, before her third place finish in Iowa: > **[South Carolina : President: Republican primary : 2024 Polls](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/south-carolina/)** > > The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/324 "2024-01-16T16:12:13Z")
Ok. We’re fucked ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/325 "2024-01-16T16:12:24Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > I’m not sure that the combo of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld is worse than Trump 2016-2020. Remember the whole Gitmo torture thing? And the Bush administration’s determination to kill everyone in the Middle East who dissed his Pa? This, 100%. Trump is a horrible person, but absolutely nothing he did was as bad as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, not even the insurrection. No Republican is acceptable, they would all be almost equally bad for the country. Frankly with Trump you can at least count on his incompetence to slow him down. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/326 "2024-01-16T16:39:04Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > This, 100%. Trump is a horrible person, but absolutely nothing he did was as bad as the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, not even the insurrection. Apologies if this extends a hijack, but how lousy is it that I find this such a challenging question. Sure, W was a doofus who relied on evil people, and the inexcusable wars and Patriot act were horrendous. But even with that, I’m not sure he challenged the very nature of our institutions or legitimized hatred and boorishness to the extent Trump did/does. A whole lotta dead people and wasted $ (enriching a few) and gutted civil liberties vs undercutting the foundations of our democratic institutions and trashing any expectations of civility in society or government. I think I give the win to Trump based on what I expect to be long term deleterious effects. Trump has made the US a less free and less civil society. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/327 "2024-01-16T16:43:48Z")
I have a slightly more optimistic view about the insurrection. That Trump tried it was a horrible thing, but that he was stopped left and right overwhelmingly by Republicans, a lot of whom he personally appointed, chose or supported shows me that our institutions are stronger than we give them credit. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/328 "2024-01-16T16:45:39Z")
Gonna really depend on whether he wins again this fall… ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/329 "2024-01-16T16:57:15Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@DesertDog](#): > > > > As a neighbor’s bumper sticker says, _I never dreamed I’d miss George Bush._ > > Bush Senior? Not a bad president at all. I mean, not my choice, but compared to Jr or trump, or Reagan, he was pretty damn decent. > > Best Republican Prez most of us can remember- I mean, I sorta remember Ike, but most don’t. Well, he did nominate Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. I’ll never forgive him for that. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/330 "2024-01-16T17:23:21Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > That seems like an odd way to characterize [the incident](https://www.history.navy.mil/content/history/nhhc/research/histories/biographies-list/bios-b/bush-george-h-w.html): He passed before Wiki became a thing where I could look it up easily but that’s how my father felt. Like I said, he’d heard about it in a theater on the other side of the world and there might have been telephone-game distortion before it got there. He was the radioman-gunner way down and in the back from the pilot and copilot. His worst injury during the was was when the pilot came in badly and broke off the tailhook. When the plane hit the water he had a couple ribs stoved in and probably would not have made out had the pilot not grabbed the back of his mae west and pulled him out. And to end the hijack, DeSantis is toast (yay) and Haley is browning nicely. I’m hoping Trump will not appeal at all to those on the fence and the old man will handily beat him. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/331 "2024-01-16T17:36:43Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I have a slightly more optimistic view about the insurrection. That Trump tried it was a horrible thing, but that he was stopped left and right overwhelmingly by Republicans, a lot of whom he personally appointed, chose or supported shows me that our institutions are stronger than we give them credit. Yeah, those Patriots got in the way last time - if Trump gets another chance at the Presidency, he (they) wont make those same mistakes again: > **[Project 2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025)** > > Project 2025 is a plan to reshape the executive branch of the U.S. federal government in the event of a Republican victory in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. Established in 2022, the project seeks to recruit tens of thousands of conservatives to Washington, D.C., to replace existing federal civil service workers it characterizes as the "deep state", to further the objectives of the next Republican president. Although participants in the project cannot promote a specific presidential The d... _Heritage Foundation president [Kevin Roberts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Roberts_(academic)) established Project 2025 in 2022 to provide the 2024 Republican presidential nominee with a personnel database and ideological framework,[[6]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#cite_note-Haberman_&_Swan_2023-6) after civil servants refused to support Trump during his attempt to institute a [Muslim travel ban](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_travel_ban), effort to install a new attorney general to assist him in his [attempts to overturn the 2020 election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_election), and when he called for lethal force (“[When the looting starts, the shooting starts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_looting_starts,_the_shooting_starts)”) against [George Floyd protesters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protesters)._ Also note: they’re coming for your porn. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/332 "2024-01-16T18:44:20Z")
Here is the latest gem from her [www.thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4411489-nikki-haley-us-never-been-racist-country/](http://www.thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4411489-nikki-haley-us-never-been-racist-country/) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/333 "2024-01-16T18:47:53Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Sure, W was a doofus who relied on evil people, and the inexcusable wars and Patriot act were horrendous. But even with that, I’m not sure he challenged the very nature of our institutions or legitimized hatred and boorishness to the extent Trump did/does. Patriot Act vs. Insurrection to overturn a democratic election? Whew … so close. And correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t many here blame Cheney for what happened during those 8 years making W. the patsy? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/334 "2024-01-16T18:56:37Z")
No comparison between DJT and GWB. W did some stupid things and was a doofus, but I don’t think in his heart he tried to hurt the nation and he certainly didn’t try to stage a coup. Iraq War- stupid idea to be sure. I blame Cheney for that more than I do him. Still, going into Iraq didn’t endanger democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/335 "2024-01-16T19:05:38Z")
> “No. We’re not a racist country, Brian. We’ve never been a racist country.” . . . “Are we perfect? No. But our goal is to always make sure we try and be more perfect every day that we can.” Someone needs to tell her that the “ask the interviewer your own question and answer it” method only works if you haven’t already answered the question you were asked. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/336 "2024-01-16T21:59:16Z")
> [@TeroSunbear](#): > > Yes, this actually signalled the end for both Nikki and De Santis. They are both wasting money from this point on. Nope. There is a better than tiny chance trump wont be available come November. > [@Shoeless](#): > > Well, he did nominate Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court. I’ll never forgive him for that. Yeah. worst Justice on the court. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/337 "2024-01-16T22:31:03Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > DeSantis is toast (yay) and Haley is browning nicely. That’s just racist, man. Is joke. But speaking of racist, you’d think someone from the South might remember that there was a time when America was a _particularly_ racist country. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/338 "2024-01-16T22:32:42Z")
If Haley doesn’t show well in New Hampshire, Nevada, and her home state, then I’ll write her off. (I think I got the order of states right.) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/339 "2024-01-16T22:34:47Z")
Someone who took down confederate flags in the 21st century, no less. It’s almost as if she knows what that flag stands for, but is afraid to speak it. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/340 "2024-01-16T23:56:32Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I have no intention of voting for her. She’s just objectively much better than Trump. She won’t start an insurrection at least which admittedly is a low bar. Are we sure about that? I don’t trust the GOP to let go of power once they have it no matter who is president. Don’t forget Project 2025. > [@psychobunny](#): > > I just listened to her speech and while I dislike her and just about everything she stands for I don’t think she is an existential threat to democracy in the same way as Trump. The GOP is the existential threat to democracy. Of course, as election results show, the GOP electorate wants to kill democracy. This is who the GOP is. Don’t let the media tell you otherwise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=18)