# Nikki Haley announces US presidential run for 2024 (Not Trump please) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953 "2023-02-17T17:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/41 "2023-02-18T00:19:01Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > And when was the last time Republicans nominated a woman? Never, but, during a primary season, there have been two Black men (Herman Cain and Ben Carson) who were temporarily on top of the GOP polls. [Ryan Lizza:](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/16/nikki-haley-2024-campaign-launch-politics-analysis-00083195) > [@](#): > > The cases of Cain and Carson are instructive. They were Black candidates who decried what Republicans now call “wokeism,” and they received a rapturous response from the party’s primary voters, who are overwhelmingly white. But as inexperienced outsiders to politics, neither could cope with the sustained scrutiny and attacks that came with their surges in the polls. . . . > > Haley has been in politics since 2004, which complicates her “new generation” pitch, but it also suggests that she’s more prepared for the scrutiny if she catches fire. If Trump and DeSantis stumble, as front-runners often do, she has a reasonable chance for the nomination. Then I predict that, as often happens when the candidate is a former governor, she would win in November. Even if we buy the idea that Republicans are overwhelmingly a bunch of sexist racists (I do not), she still could get the nomination. That is because a lot of sexist racists are determined to prove they are something else. This helps explain why Cain and Carson were on top for a bit despite having great weaknesses as candidates. I suppose her chances would be higher if not for fellow South Carolinian Tim Scott, who is seemingly in the same lane. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/42 "2023-02-18T00:38:26Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > The fact that you’re asking the far left here who the Republican nominee will be is enough to think you should assume the opposite of whatever conclusion they come to. It’s not that we don’t want her to get the nomination. Other than her support of Trump, she appears to be a normal conservative politician. And I would certainly welcome a Republican move in that direction. However, I see no evidence that the Republicans are willing to move in that direction. > [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Moderate-ish, female, experienced, and most importantly, from South Carolina. The first word is what I think (unfortunately) will trip her up. [I honestly don’t know that she’s moderate-ish. But currently, that’s her reputation. I guess we’re about to find out.] ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/43 "2023-02-18T00:39:08Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > That is because a lot of sexist racists are determined to prove they are something else. I have not found this to be the case, but that’s me. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/44 "2023-02-18T00:55:11Z")
I think they place a higher priority on proving it to the pollsters than at the ballot box. But that’s me 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/45 "2023-02-18T02:01:10Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Moderate-ish, female, experienced, and most importantly, from South Carolina. Others have touched on why the first two are neutral _at best_ (and IMO, probably a negative in a GOP primary), but could you explain why being from South Carolina is at all important? Donald Trump is astoundingly popular in SC, and there is very little chance he won’t carry that state. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/46 "2023-02-18T02:05:05Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > [I honestly don’t know that she’s moderate-ish. But currently, that’s her reputation. I guess we’re about to find out.] She will say whatever is needed to increase her chances of the nomination. I can’t see her calling state GOP leaders in a post-election, post-network-call, post-recount-deadline, attempt to steal a lost election. I can’t see her repeatedly suggest she should be president for life. That’s huge for me. If moderate means that she would nominate, for a Supreme Court vacancy, someone like David Souter, she is not moderate. If it means not pushing DeSantis-style legislation nationally, maybe. If it means not further pushing to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, maybe again. We wouldn’t really find out if she’s, in any way, moderate unless she becomes President. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/47 "2023-02-18T02:19:26Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > She is non-white and a woman. So in theory a plus with the left. No, that’s a right wing delusion. The right wingers know that the country is supposed to be run by white men and they vote accordingly. So when they see Democrats voting for candidates that aren’t white men, it confuses them. They don’t see their pattern of exclusively voting for white men as identity politics. They think that identity politics is when somebody votes for somebody who isn’t a white man. So they think they can trick the liberals by running somebody like Haley. The liberals will have to vote for her because of identity politics. What will happen is that Democrats will vote for Joe Biden (or some other Democrat). Because we’re not idiots. And the right wingers won’t vote for Haley because she’s not a white man. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/48 "2023-02-18T02:55:47Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I think they place a higher priority on proving it to the pollsters than at the ballot box. Black Republican Tim Scott won his South Carolina 2014 special election Senate race with 90 percent in the primary and 61 percent of the vote in the general election. Then in 2016 he was unopposed and the primary, and again got 61 percent in November. Last year he was again unopposed in the primary, winning in November with 63 percent. Let’s compare to the last three Senate elections for white South Carolina Republican Lindsey Graham: 2008 - Graham won his primary with 67 percent and won the general with 58 percent. 2014 - Graham won his primary with 66 percent and won the general with 54 percent. 2020 - Graham won his primary with 68 percent and won the general with, again, 54 percent. This isn’t a cherry pick, but the closest comparative I could find that would potentially show Republican unwillingness to vote for a right-wing Black. I don’t see the evidence in numbers above. As I wrote before, I think it quite possible a racist (or sexist) could find themselves voting for a minority (or female) candidate. One can say that they would vote for a minority Senator but draw a line at the presidency. Because of the Cain and Carson boomlets, you’d then have to say that they could tell a pollster they would vote for a minority president, but draw the line at the actual vote. I can’t prove this wrong, but it seems a stretch that both line-draws could be true. More likely, the Scott supporters either think minority candidates are a good way to own the libs, or don’t much care about African (or Asian) candidate ancestry. That doesn’t mean Haley will win. Trump and DeSantis are more popular in the party. If Haley was still governor, and was pushing the same state legislation as DeSantis, and Scott wasn’t pulling from her base, she’d be top tier. Now she has to hope the top tier destroy each other or otherwise stumble. It happens. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/49 "2023-02-18T03:01:05Z")
Going back to the sub-question raised upthread of “Why is Haley running when she (arguably) has no chance?” … IMO … Looking at the actual presidential nominees for the R party since, say WWII, how many nominees were selected on their first run at the R nomination for president? And how many got their nod on their second, third, or even 4th run? I’d ask a similar question for the Ds. I’d separate the stats, the question, and the answers for the two parties since their internal dynamics are so different. Anyhow, although I don’t _know_ the answer, I’m going to bet that first-run R nominees are rather the exception, not the rule. As such, Haley running in the primary’s now in 2024 isn’t nuts at all, even if she seemingly has little chance of succeeding against the better-known names. It’s all a brand-building exercise for 2028, coupled to a lottery-ticket probability of being happily surprised and successfully grabbing the R’s brass ring this time. Unlike certain other R presidential wannabees and disgraced former Presidents, she’s young enough that 2024 is not her last hurrah. Instead it’s just her first. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/50 "2023-02-18T03:28:01Z")
Without going too far down this particular rabbit hole, or – quixotically – too far afield from the OP,… I can’t find free access to this article, but the abstract seems to support my surmise on the Tim Scott question, and may bear heavily – particularly in the Southern red states – on Nikki Haley’s viability: > **[History Made: The Rise of Republican Tim Scott | PS: Political Science &...](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/ps-political-science-and-politics/article/abs/history-made-the-rise-of-republican-tim-scott/9428CF8549D622F3D9C21A5C59299FDA)** > > History Made: The Rise of Republican Tim Scott - Volume 49 Issue 3 > In a time of unprecedented racial polarization in partisan voting, and in a staunchly Republican Deep South state, one black Republican managed to reach the pinnacle of public office. This article examines Tim Scott’s rise by analyzing precinct-level data to better understand his 2010 election to the US House and data from the Winthrop Poll to explore his more recent US Senate victory. **To better understand support for Scott, we also report results from an embedded-survey experiment to assess respondents’ favorability toward Scott when he is characterized by two different frames: (1) “Tea Party favorite,” and (2) “first African American Senator from South Carolina since Reconstruction.” We found that conservatives, evangelicals, and less-educated individuals respond more positively to Scott when he is described as a “Tea Party favorite.”** More than an intriguing case study, Scott’s rise tells a broader story of the complicated relationships among race, ideology, and partisanship in the contemporary American South. [bolding mine] I don’t know that Haley’s past, present, and current schtick positions her well to capitalize on that sentiment. Is she Tea Party enough for that cohort to set aside their preconceived and deeply-entrenched biases? [I’m trusting that copying the abstract here doesn’t run afoul of Fair Use?] ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/51 "2023-02-18T03:28:45Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > It’s all a brand-building exercise for 2028, coupled to a lottery-ticket probability of being happily surprised and successfully grabbing the R’s brass ring this time. I’ve often heard that the GOP likes to nominate whomever is next in line. So your post makes a lot of sense, except perhaps that it reminded me of this headline: [Nikki Haley Is the Perfect Republican Presidential Candidate (for 2015)](https://www.thebulwark.com/nikki-haley-is-the-perfect-republican-presidential-candidate-for-2015/) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/52 "2023-02-18T03:52:14Z")
MHO: If DeSantis gets on the ticket, even if he’s the Veep, the Democratic party has no chance of winning no matter who’s running. Here’s her announcement video. She’s made up and lit to look as “white” as possible. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qITO7H1UVnc/hqdefault.jpg "Nikki Haley 2024 presidential announcement: full video") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qITO7H1UVnc) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/53 "2023-02-18T03:53:57Z")
I’m surprised I’ve never heard any kind of “what the hell kind of middle name is ‘Robinette’, anyway?” thing about Biden. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/54 "2023-02-18T03:59:13Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I’m surprised I’ve never heard any kind of “what the hell kind of middle name is ‘Robinette’, anyway?” thing about Biden It’s his paternal grandmother’s maiden name, and was the middle name of his father, as well. (I work with a woman whose first name is Robinette; I don’t believe that there’s any relation.) > **[President Joe Biden's middle name is Robinette, and here's why](https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/president-joe-biden-middle-name-is-robinette-and-heres-why/)** > > The new commander-in-chief has a highly unusual middle name that some became aware of for the first time on Inauguration Day. ---
**Author:** ![Mallard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Mallard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mallard)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/55 "2023-02-18T04:20:31Z")
She’s female, well spoken, “not white” and one of the most openly anti-union politicians I’ve ever heard of. That may play well with the “newer style left” that hate unions, particularly police and teacher unions. ---
**Author:** ![JoePockets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8dc957/32.png) [@JoePockets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoePockets)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/56 "2023-02-18T05:08:20Z")
With a 7.25 minimum wage still in South Carolina and her regard to worker rights I don’t think nationally she getting the support to win ! But time will tell her true purpose for entering the race, I believe she will attack all candidates except Trump with gloves on but hard enough to be ko’d by Donald and then accept the VP position. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/57 "2023-02-18T07:51:57Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Trump has refused to give her a nick name and said that if she wanted to run, no big deal. And at the end of that statement he said “she is polling at 1%, not a bad start!!!” Apparently, he’s going for trolling as his approach to her at this point. > [@Trump on Truth Social](#): > > The greatest thing Nikki Haley did for our Country, and the Great State of South Carolina, was accepting the position of United Nations Ambassador so that the incredible then Lieutenant Governor, Henry McMaster, could be Governor of South Carolina, where he has done an absolutely fantastic job. That was a big reason why I appointed Nikki to the position—It was a favor to the people I love in South Carolina! LOL. So he appointed her to the U.N. spot so South Carolina could have a _good_ governor. Yeah, this is kind of a different approach for him. Maybe he doesn’t want to come out swinging with the outright insults. But I don’t doubt he will get there. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/58 "2023-02-18T12:18:16Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I don’t know that Haley’s past, present, and current schtick positions her well to capitalize on that sentiment. Is she Tea Party enough for that cohort to set aside their preconceived and deeply-entrenched biases? > > [I’m trusting that copying the abstract here doesn’t run afoul of Fair Use?] Excellent cite, thank you. I wonder how many of those folks surveyed who approved of the “Tea Party favorite” label didn’t even realize a man named “Tim Scott” _was_ black. In their minds, all black people have names like Washington, LeBron, or Latisha. Remember these are fundamentally low-information, high-tribal-identification voters. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/59 "2023-02-18T13:21:21Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > As I wrote before, I think it quite possible a racist (or sexist) could find themselves voting for a minority (or female) candidate. Right. They’d rather vote for a diversity candidate Republican than any Democrat. Haley’s candidacy isn’t to appeal to the majority of Americans living in solid red or blue states - if she somehow manages to get the nomination, she may play well in the swing states; perhaps better than Desantis or (og forbid) TFG. All she’d need to do is win what, 4-5 swing states, and the electoral college will do the rest. And who’s to say the deal she made with TFG isn’t that whomever does get the nomination, if its one of the two of them, the other will be selected for VP? Can you imagine TFG as her running mate? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/60 "2023-02-18T16:28:05Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > And who’s to say the deal she made with TFG isn’t that whomever does get the nomination, if its one of the two of them, the other will be selected for VP? Can you imagine TFG as her running mate? I will confidently predict Trump has no interest in being VP. None. It won’t happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=4)