# Nikki Haley announces US presidential run for 2024 (Not Trump please) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953 "2023-02-17T17:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/581 "2024-02-03T23:33:11Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Tell me if I am wrong about this, but I think you are alluding to [social security privatization](https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2010/11/roadmap2final2.pdf) such as was advocated by Paul Ryan. Although my link doesn’t say this, it’s reasonable to see his plan as an almost certain boon to the likes of Charles Schwab and Fidelity, and a possible boon to wealthy financial advisors charging high fees AKA oligarchs. The pressure to let Americans gamble “their money,” that they can’t afford to lose, on actively managed mutual funds, individual stocks, and bitcoin, would prove unstoppable. No, you’re right. That’s what I was referring to. As to why Haley isn’t following Paul Ryan’s lead in talking about it: it’s a loser among large swaths of GOP voters. That would apply to both the primaries and the general. Those who will profit from Social Security privatization are powerful, but small in number. Those who will lose from privatization are huge in number, and a good chunk of them are registered Republicans. Like any smart 2024 GOP candidate, Haley will talk about immigration and the USA’s position in the world and the need for parents to control every aspect of their children’s education and the way the Liberal Elite are (supposedly) ruining the country. But she’ll keep the One-Percent’s plans for cashing in to herself, for the most part. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/582 "2024-02-03T23:51:52Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > As to why Haley isn’t following Paul Ryan’s lead in talking about it: it’s a loser among large swaths of GOP voters. That’s why it won’t happen, period. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2024, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/583 "2024-02-03T23:54:04Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Those who will profit from Social Security privatization are powerful, but small in number. Those who will lose from privatization are huge in number, and a good chunk of them are registered Republicans. And that’s why even in prior R administrations with congressional majorities it went nowhere. Many of the lawmakers were relieved to have some other crisis or priority to take up the legislative calendars – war and disaster during the middle W years, ACA repeal and the Border Wall in the first 2 Trump years. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/584 "2024-02-04T03:17:48Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > > [@Shalmanese](#): > > > > I think many Americans who have never spent time outside of the first world are going to be bitterly disappointed in how little Trump needs to actively oppose the independant media and have it still not matter. > > In addition to the points you made so cogently, there is the likely aid-to-Trump to be found in the war or wars he will almost certainly start. (And deny having started, of course.)…. I just don’t see it. Trump, for all his many, many, _many_ flaws, isn’t a warmonger. There were plenty of wars he might have started in 2017-21, but didn’t. He was a critic of our commitments in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hell, he _praised_ the leaders of two of our most likely future enemies, Russia and North Korea! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/585 "2024-02-04T04:06:54Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Trump, for all his many, many, _many_ flaws, isn’t a warmonger. There were plenty of wars he might have started in 2017-21, but didn’t. There is a MAGA push for USA armed intervention in Mexico to stop the cartels and drugs. This would be the sort of thing trump would do. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/586 "2024-02-04T04:57:28Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > But it also works if Trump stays in, assuming he loses the general election. Because then she’s the heir apparent in 2028. In addition, with how she’s running now, she can even push the “I told you he couldn’t win.” aspect, saying “You should have picked me.” I just don’t see this. There’s a logic to it – in both 2012 and 2008, Republicans nominated the also-ran from the previous contested Presidential nomination. But Romney and McCain actually won some states in their losing efforts, something that Haley is unlikely to do. Losing every single state in the primary isn’t a very convincing argument that she’s the “heir apparent.” Also, “I told you so” is NEVER a winning campaign theme. Even if Trump does flame out in the general election, the overwhelming majority of Republicans voters will not admit to themselves that they made a mistake. They may try to justify it, but more likely they’ll just put the whole thing behind them. They won’t want a Haley rubbing in their face the folly of their decision. Much more likely that they’ll look for someone new who was on the sidelines during the whole debacle. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/587 "2024-02-04T05:43:58Z")
I agree that it’s now or never for Haley. If Trump loses, even if he’s in jail, he will be campaigning until he dies, overshadowing any future she might have. She was also a Trump enabler, so she will be tainted by that in the future unless she can erase it by actually being president (which isn’t going to happen either). ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/588 "2024-02-04T06:46:12Z")
No. Haley was a Trump enabler. She will be tainted by that forever. She can’t erase that fact by anything she does. If the Right won’t do it (See: Robert Byrd et al.) why should I/we? ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/589 "2024-02-04T08:07:31Z")
I don’t quite understand your post. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/590 "2024-02-04T08:28:03Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > She can’t erase that fact by anything she does. OK, I think I understand better. In my view, she can’t. But if she actually became POTUS (she won’t) and did a good job (she wouldn’t, but she would be your normal bad Republican, not Trump), then the fact that she was a Trump enabler would probably be forgotten by the public. > [@](#): > > If the Right won’t do it (See: Robert Byrd et al.) why should I/we? I would forgive someone for being a Trump enabler if they actually recognized their culpability and apologized for it and I actually believed the apology to be sincere. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/591 "2024-02-04T08:33:19Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Trump, for all his many, many, _many_ flaws, isn’t a warmonger. There were plenty of wars he might have started in 2017-21, but didn’t. This presumes that his actions are governed by any principle other than self-interest. He will absolutely start a war if he thinks it benefits him. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/592 "2024-02-04T10:05:46Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > He will absolutely start a war if he thinks it benefits him. That’s a false dichotomy. Saying Trump isn’t a warmonger isn’t the same as saying he’s a pacifist. I think you’re agreeing with @Elendil_s_Heir in that _if_ there was a way for a war to benefit Trump, he would have started one. But there wasn’t, so he didn’t. He’s not a trigger-happy guy who thinks the US needs to flex their military muscles. Which is in direct contrast with the idea that there are “war or wars he will almost certainly start”, the assertion made in this thread that the “not a warmonger” comment was contradicting. Do _you_ think Trump would start a war if it didn’t benefit him to do so? Getting back to the actual subject of this thread, and in spirit of the talk of war, one difference between Haley and Trump that I pointed out relatively early in this thread is that Haley has been outspoken about supporting Ukraine and opposing Russian aggression. I haven’t heard this subject come up any time recently though, and I have no idea if it has had any bearing one way or another on the primaries so far. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/593 "2024-02-04T12:44:11Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Trump, for all his many, many, _many_ flaws, isn’t a warmonger Exactly. I’ve been saying this since 2016. It’s literally his one redeeming quality – though it’s just a side-effect of the fact that he simply doesn’t care about, nor have any interest in, the rest of the world at all. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/594 "2024-02-04T12:48:01Z")
If he could skip all of the difficult and boring parts of having a war and skip right to the parade he would do so. I grant Haley has enough awareness to not want any kind of conflict. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/595 "2024-02-04T13:25:52Z")
Trump wanted to nuke a hurricane. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/596 "2024-02-04T14:04:54Z")
On the one hand you’ve got “won’t start a war”, and on the other you’ve got “will look the other way as Putin dies as he pleases”. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/597 "2024-02-04T14:31:17Z")
Nikki Haley herself was on Saturday Night Live last night in a Trump town hall sketch. I’m not a fan of the show giving a platform to politicians, and I doubt it’ll have any impact on the primaries, but it was a decent bit. [CNN Town Hall South Carolina Cold Open - SNL (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwPQn7i-6JQ) ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/598 "2024-02-04T14:31:26Z")
As dumb as that idea is, I recall that at one time the NWS actually had something about why it wouldn’t work on their webpage. So it’s an idea that “seems to make sense” to a lot of people. (Now I really want to see the alot of people) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/599 "2024-02-04T14:34:48Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > “will look the other way as Putin **dies** as he pleases”. A lot of us would look on with great interest, I think. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/600 "2024-02-04T14:38:13Z")
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