# Nikki Haley announces US presidential run for 2024 (Not Trump please) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953 "2023-02-17T17:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/721 "2024-02-25T15:05:13Z")
Even it was Rs, that 40% will vote for Trump in November, especially after Haley endorses Trump. Whatever fraction of Republican voters she’s getting now is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/722 "2024-02-25T15:12:27Z")
I don’t know. If there is some percentage of Republicans that are never Trumpers, that could help Joe. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/723 "2024-02-25T15:23:33Z")
I live in a more Red part of a blue rate, Massachusetts. Nikki Hayley is quite popular among people who “held their noses and voted for Trump” in 2016 and 2020. I have no doubt they will be holding their noses in 2024 again. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/724 "2024-02-25T15:39:39Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > Even it was Rs, that 40% will vote for Trump in November, especially after Haley endorses Trump. Trump will get a large majority—but not all—of that 40%. The exact percentage is important. If he gets, say, ~39% … he’s treading water from his level of support four years ago. If instead it’s more like 38% (or less) … it means Trump’s support has decreased since the last general election. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/725 "2024-02-25T15:46:35Z")
No it doesn’t. My wife voted for Clinton and Biden. She’s going to vote for Biden again. But in the Massachusetts primary (March 5) she’s going to vote for Hayley. She’s the support for Hayley you seem to think Trump has lost. It’s just bad math. 7% of the voters in the Republican primary in SC identified as Democrats. Maybe some of them are “Trump Democrats” (like Reagan Republicans). But I bet a significant number are in fact Democrats who are trying to bolster Hayley’s candidacy. Either in the vain hope that they get a less worse worst case scenario in November (my wife’s position) or just he even more vain hope to keep Trump focused on the primary for longer. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/726 "2024-02-25T15:47:37Z")
Republican pollster Whit Ayres to _The Atlantic’s_ Ronald Brownstein last night: > After months of vacillation and caution, Haley is now making a forceful case against Trump, and displaying great political courage in doing so: She is standing virtually alone while most of the GOP establishment (including virtually all of the political leadership in South Carolina) aligns behind him. Ayres believes that Haley is speaking for a large enough minority of the party to justify continuing in the race for as long as she wants—even if there’s virtually no chance anymore that she can expand her coalition enough to truly threaten Trump. “Nikki Haley represents a perspective, an outlook on the world, and a set of values that are still held by what remains of the Reagan-Bush coalition in the Republican Party,” Ayres told me. (Link paywalled) > **[In South Carolina, Nikki Haley’s Bill Comes Due](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/02/in-south-carolina-nikki-haleys-bill-comes-due/677563/)** > > The state’s GOP primary showed that Donald Trump is dominant yet still vulnerable. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/727 "2024-02-25T16:04:58Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > My wife voted for Clinton and Biden. She’s going to vote for Biden again. But in the Massachusetts primary (March 5) she’s going to vote for Hayley. She’s the support for Hayley you seem to think Trump has lost. It’s just bad math. > > 7% of the voters in the Republican primary in SC identified as Democrats. We might be able to build a better mousetrap with more focused inputs. I don’t know where the “7% were Democrats” number came from, but I’m happy to accept it for the nonce. And then from the same Brownstein _Atlantic_ article I just linked: > Haley failed to attract as many independent and Democratic voters as she needed to participate today. Those non-Republicans only cast about 30 percent of the total votes, according to the exit polls. All of that suggests that the SC Republican primary voters broke down as about 70% Republican, 7% Democrat, and 23% Independent/Other. The exercise is to determine what percentage of Republican and Independent votes Trump _did not get_ last night, and from there determine what portion of those voters Trump has to get back in November to maintain his 2020 level of support. In South Carolina, this exercise is academic — Trump can fall off several percent points in the general and still win SC’s Electoral College votes. But in closer states, this will get interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/728 "2024-02-25T19:38:57Z")
The more or less consensus opinion I’ve seen is that Haley has been, while losing, beating the poll numbers, which in turn indicates softening support for the Orange Ape. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/729 "2024-02-25T20:59:50Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > The more or less consensus opinion I’ve seen is that Haley has been, while losing, beating the poll numbers, **which in turn indicates softening support for the Orange Ape**. > [@The anti-Trump resistance has become exhausted](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/99): > > Just a quick note to say that I heard fundraising figures last night (or this morning, it all runs together): Biden raised 56 million in January to Trump’s 30 million. It was also noted that Trump has lost 200,000 donors since this time in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/730 "2024-02-25T21:15:07Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Jim Geraghty said it well in the _Washington Post_ (paywalled): > > > [@](#): > > > > If Biden manages to prevail next fall, Haley and her fans will be able to say to Trump and his MAGA crowd, “See, we warned you.” To which they’ll reply “it’s YOUR fault for not following the One True Faith from the beginning! **SO** _disloyal!_ MAGA 2028!!!” > [@bordelond](#): > > Republican pollster Whit Ayres > > > [@](#): > > > > After months of vacillation and caution, Haley is now making a forceful case against Trump, and displaying great political courage “Great political courage” would have been to make a forceful case from the start _ **instead** _ of months of vacillation and caution. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/731 "2024-02-25T22:01:38Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > “Great political courage” would have been to make a forceful case from the start _ **instead** _ of months of vacillation and caution. Just ask President Christie. ---
**Author:** ![SwissMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/732 "2024-02-25T23:57:25Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > Just ask President Christie. Eh, I think Haley maybe would have had a chance if she had taken the current tack last summer. Christie never stood a chance from the start; he has no political constituency and his campaign was just a personal statement from the start. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/733 "2024-02-26T00:41:12Z")
Anyone else get a text from Nikki? I did. Something about continuing the fight. I typed Stop to discontinue. How’d they get my number? ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/734 "2024-02-26T01:15:24Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > How’d they get my number? They got it by receiving a ‘Stop’ reply to the random number they texted. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/735 "2024-02-26T01:47:33Z")
Bad news. Koch’s dropping support. [https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/25/politics/koch-network-nikki-haley-end-spending/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/25/politics/koch-network-nikki-haley-end-spending/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/736 "2024-02-26T01:54:50Z")
I hope she already bought her ads for Super Tuesday. The media learned a long time ago to get cash up front from political candidates. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/737 "2024-02-26T16:24:49Z")
With modern social media, smart phones, use of public spaces, and so forth … couldn’t Haley just stay in the race even with virtually NO money (which, to be clear, is not where she is now)? Even if her campaign can’t rent out hotel ballrooms and blast TV ads all over the place … she could certainly set up on-the-cheap public appearances. Get them on video, upload to Instagram (or whatever). I don’t know … just spitballing. Even if ALL her donations dried up right now (and again – that hasn’t happened yet), she’s not exactly compelled to formally drop out. Just stay in and keep bleeding 20-40% of every Republican primary going forward. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/738 "2024-02-26T23:23:54Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Just stay in and keep bleeding 20-40% of every Republican primary going forward. I know I’d like to see that. I like the way it undercuts the ‘Trump is God’s candidate’ messaging. (Why would God humiliate Donald by repeatedly showing that some substantial fraction of Republicans reject him?) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/739 "2024-02-27T10:36:27Z")
Well, God’s other son was also humiliated and betrayed, so why not Donald? /s ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2024, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/740 "2024-02-27T11:48:10Z")
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