# Nikki Haley announces US presidential run for 2024 (Not Trump please) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 17, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953 "2023-02-17T17:04:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/161 "2023-12-29T14:52:25Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > That is because a lot of sexist racists are determined to prove they are something else. Malcolm Gladwell did a podcast on this. Basically you pick a token woman/minority and treat them like an equal. Since you just proved you’re not a sexist/racist you can continue to be ultra sexist/racist. He did a better job explaining it than I did. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/162 "2023-12-29T15:15:52Z")
Chris Christie, talking about Haley’s Civil War comments, says the quiet part out loud. Christie said in a New Hampshire town hall Thursday that Haley “didn’t say what she said last night and today about this because she’s dumb. She’s not, she’s smart and she knows better. And she didn’t say it because she’s a racist, because she’s not,” Christie said. “I know her well and I don’t believe Nikki has a racist bone in her body. But for purposes (of) this race, the reason she did it is just as bad, if not worse, and should make everybody concerned about her candidacy. **She did it because she’s unwilling to offend anyone by telling the truth.** ” Christie argued that if Haley is unwilling to say slavery is what caused the Civil War “because she’s afraid of offending constituents,” then she won’t have the backbone to stand up to Democratic lawmakers, foreign leaders and forces in her own party dragging the country “deeper and deeper into anger and division.” Bolding mine. > **[Christie says Haley is not racist after Civil War comments. Here's the...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/12/29/chris-christie-slams-nikki-haley-civil-war/72056250007/)** > > Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie condemned former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley for failing to mention that slavery caused the Civil War. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/163 "2023-12-29T15:19:46Z")
I don’t know if Haley herself is too cowardly to give a straight answer, she was willing to take a stand against confederate symbols in her state when she was governor. (Not saying it was some big act of courage or anything, but she certainly had people on the right who weren’t happy with her for doing so and she did it anyway.) But I’d guess that she has advisors warning her about the political consequences of answering questions like this in an honest way, and her lack of courage against that equates to the same thing. So it’s cowardice either way. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/164 "2023-12-29T15:37:12Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > But I’d guess that she has advisors warning her about the political consequences of answering questions like this in an honest way, and her lack of courage against that equates to the same thing. So it’s cowardice either way. If this was the advice she was given, every one of her advisors needs to be fired now. I mean, in this day and age, even an explicitly racist motherfucker should know that, if you’re involved in politics, you need an answer to this question that you can rattle off, without sounding like a coward or an idiot. We’ve already seen examples of exactly such answers, and it’s inexcusable for her, or anyone who advises her, to not be on the ball for this. It’s akin to Trump’s stupid line, “No one knew health care was so complicated!” Ah, no, fuckhead, everyone except you knew it was complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/165 "2023-12-29T15:42:13Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > If this was the advice she was given, every one of her advisors needs to be fired now. Maybe she wasn’t coached to say precisely what they said (I’m sure she wasn’t), but they may have warned her about being careful to not alienate the MAGA crowd and she went about it in a terrible way. I could see advisors warning her to be cautious on certain subjects. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/166 "2023-12-29T16:32:58Z")
Yes, and she’d know to do that herself anyway. She’s at least politically savvy enough to figure that out for herself. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/167 "2023-12-29T17:09:47Z")
And, perhaps to take the discussion away from “The Late Unpleasantries,” she’s announced that she’ll pardon Trump. “I would pardon Trump.” Not would consider pardoning on certain charges, or any other qualifications. “If he is found guilty, a leader needs to think about what’s in the best interest of the country,” Haley said. “What’s in the best interest of the country is not to have an 80-year-old man sitting in jail, that continues to divide our country.” “What’s in the best interest of the country would be to pardon him, so that we can move on as a country and no longer talk about him,” A hail-Nikki pass to get the MAGA voters, as well as create a pardon litmus test for the rest of the GOP candidates. “we can move on as a country and no longer talk about him,” Although, you understand that the behavior you accept is the behavior you encourage. That’s a divide that won’t go away, and I’ll still be on my side of it. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/168 "2023-12-29T17:17:28Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > “…so that we can move on as a country and no longer talk about him,” Kinda like the way she thinks we can move on as a country by not talking about slavery. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/169 "2023-12-29T17:52:58Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > “If he is found guilty, a leader needs to think about what’s in the best interest of the country,” Haley said. “What’s in the best interest of the country is not to have an 80-year-old man sitting in jail, that continues to divide our country.” > > “What’s in the best interest of the country would be to pardon him, so that we can move on as a country and no longer talk about him,” > > A hail-Nikki pass to get the MAGA voters, as well as create a pardon litmus test for the rest of the GOP candidates. Clever of her to remind the MAGA voters of something they’ve blanked out on: Trump’s age. Not that they’ll have any trouble ‘lalalalala’-ing it away, of course. Haley is eager to make the same mistake Gerald Ford did. The idea that letting a President get away with committing crimes is a good thing “for the nation” is profoundly stoopid, and of course is more about avoiding embarrassment for the Republican Party than about anything else. But if something happens to Trump, and Haley or one of her peers gets the Presidency, a pardon (posthumous if necessary) is a virtual certainty. ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/170 "2023-12-29T18:17:52Z")
My Irish wife just got her American citizenship earlier this year. She was diligent in boning up on the questions they asked, one of which was: Q) Name **one** problem that led to the Civil War. ▪ slavery ▪ economic reasons ▪ states’ rights When I was quizzing her, helping her to prepare for the oral section, her answer every time was “Slavery,” and we’d move on to the next question. If she had given NH’s answer at the exam, that would’ve been a sight to see. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/171 "2023-12-29T18:19:23Z")
They are kinda all correct answers but, certainly, slavery was at the root of it all and the best answer for that. ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/172 "2023-12-29T20:00:28Z")
Fortunately for those of us who came after, the secessionists told us exactly why they did what they did. They left no doubt whatsoever. Sure, it’s in flowery language and is internally conflicting, but the reason for secession is RIGHT THERE. They WROTE IT DOWN! Here is South Carolina’s declaration: [Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/173 "2023-12-29T20:56:10Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > This. It’s a poisoned question for any R. Poisoned? Not at all. Perfectly reasonable. Will they reject the Lost Cause or espouse racism? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/174 "2023-12-29T20:59:31Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > “I would pardon Trump.” Not would consider pardoning on certain charges, or any other qualifications. To be honest, if I was Prez, I would _think_ about _commuting_ trumps sentence. Ponder it. Probably not, but it would deserve some thought. Not “commute” not “pardon”- and that is to get rid of the security issues and expenses. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/175 "2023-12-29T23:28:59Z")
Republican candidates should think it through a little more though. You cannot beat Trump fair and square. If you beat him, he is going to instantly accuse you of all the same stuff he has accused Biden of doing. You stole the election, you cheated, etc. Political interference! RINOs! Deep State! You know the routine. Now go ahead and tell him that you forgive him for _trying to overthrow the government_. Do you suppose he will wait until the term _you stole from him_ is up before trying to overthrow the government again after _you told him it was okay to do it_? ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/176 "2023-12-29T23:38:32Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > > [@Haley](#): > > > > “What’s in the best interest of the country would be to pardon him, so that we can move on as a country and no longer talk about him,” Anyone who thinks that is an idiot. Trump would immediately hold “totally exonerated” rallies with merch to match and announce he is going to run for president again. And LOL if she would think pardoning him would make him be nice to her. He would make her presidency a living hell. > [@DWMarch](#): > > Do you suppose he will wait until the term _you stole from him_ is up before trying to overthrow the government again after _you told him it was okay to do it_? Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/177 "2023-12-29T23:41:57Z")
> [@Daithi\_Lacha](#): > > When I was quizzing her, helping her to prepare for the oral section, her answer every time was “Slavery,” and we’d move on to the next question. Did it look [like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwHQYDqf6c&ab_channel=PatrickReed)? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/178 "2023-12-29T23:52:42Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > And LOL if she would think pardoning him would make him be nice to her. These Republican candidates are scared as fuck about MAGA lunatics. They all pander to the Trump supporters with no cognitive recognition that Trump’s supporters are going to vote for Trump. They go out of their way, even make themselves come across as dumber than they are, to suck up to the Maga morons. And they also sometimes want really badly to be Trump’s VP, as though that was a prize worth winning. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/179 "2023-12-29T23:54:37Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > And they also sometimes want really badly to be Trump’s VP, as though that was a prize worth winning. I suspect that this is, at least in part, under the hope that Trump’s bad diet, age, and eternal rage catch up to him, leading to incapacitation or death, thus granting a field promotion to said VP. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2023, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953/180 "2023-12-29T23:59:55Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I suspect that this is, at least in part, under the hope that Trump’s bad diet, age, and eternal rage catch up to him, leading to incapacitation or death, thus granting a field promotion to said VP. Heck, If Trump keeled over after the nomination but before the election, it’s quite possible his VP pick would be in the best position to go to the top of the ballot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-announces-us-presidential-run-for-2024-not-trump-please/979953.md?page=10)