# Nikki Haley for President-Trumps plan **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 24, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894 "2016-11-24T16:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/41 "2016-11-25T04:57:50Z")
Her parents being Indian has no bearing on whether she is white. If she looks white, she is white. That’s the entire fucking concept of race. It is entirely visually based. That’s the definition–it’s why being anti-ginger is still racism. And, will this board ever learn that snark means you lost the argument? You don’t need snark if your argument is good. You use it when it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/42 "2016-11-25T09:12:07Z")
According to the [India Times](http://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/nikki-haley-s-relatives-in-punjab-cheer-her-appointment-as-the-un-envoy-for-united-states-266123.html) one immediate result is it gives India its second reason to like Trump - the first reason being his anti-Mulsim rhetoric during the campaign :dubious: I could see the appointment meaning “Trump would like to do some deals in India”. Anything further than that is probably giving him too much credit. ---
**Author:** ![Jane\_Smythe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f04885/32.png) [@Jane\_Smythe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jane_Smythe)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/43 "2016-11-25T09:27:42Z")
> [@rbroome](#): > > Of course this is pure speculation, but I am trying to figure out the most surprising selection so far: Gov. Nikki Haley for UN Ambassador. In a field of old white men she sticks out… > > How about this for a reason: Trump is planning to not run for re-election but instead support Sec. of State Haley in 2020. > He is all about the deal. He got the US to sign on the dotted line in 2016. Now he is planning his next big deal. That is what he does, that is what he lives for. > > He isn’t going to satisfy the hard right-he isn’t one and isn’t going to cater to their demands. He isn’t going to bring back the good old days in the rust belt-no one can. So he needs a new set of investors. > So he called up Gov Haley and offered her the following opportunity. > Take the job of Amb. to the UN for 2 years. Learn about national and international affairs and introduce herself to the rest of the world. After that training, Trump will offer her the Sec. of State position. Whoever is keeping the seat warm will retire to spend more time with their family-Trump is good at firing people. When the 2020 primaries roll around, Trump will announce he isn’t running for re-election. Maybe he will set up a foundation or something. And he thinks SOS Haley would be the perfect Republican candidate to succeed him. With him holding the narrative in DC no one else, including Pence, would be able to out campaign her. With her resume appealing to moderate democrats and minorities (remember she got rid of the confederate flag in S.C. never mind that it is creeping back) and her conservative background, I think she could easily be the first woman president. And she would be completely the creation of Trump. While of course there would be no quid pro quo, she would know who she owes her position to. Simple. UN Ambassador is not considered an important position. It’s a token job for a woman in a cabinet that will be 90% old white men. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/44 "2016-11-25T09:55:29Z")
Is this even about Nikki Haley, or did he just give her _something_ so that she’d get out of South Carolina? The lieutenant governor was an important supporter in an early primary state. Now he’s going to be the governor. Which one was Trump actually trying to promote? I don’t think there’s enough time for her to be UN ambassador for two years, the Secretary of State, and then a candidate for president in 2020. I think the Secretary of State is prohibited from running for office, so she’d have to resign to do that. The 2020 presidential candidates will need to announce in mid-2019, though, so she’d be Secretary of State for maybe six months. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/45 "2016-11-25T13:19:19Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > I think the Secretary of State is prohibited from running for office, so she’d have to resign to do that. Why would you think that? ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/46 "2016-11-25T15:21:51Z")
thanks for all the comments. I thought my idea, which I freely admit is speculation, was original, but subsequent reading found several commentators matter-of-factly commenting along the same lines. Of course UN ambassador is a “minor position” in American politics, but in DC it is the senior ambassadorship and the only ambassadorship that is a member of the cabinet. And agreed no one runs for President based on that position which is why I posited that Ms Haley would move over to SOS. After all, Trump had recent personal experience with someone who had done exactly that. The idea that Trump would be directly succeeded by his son seems incredibly unlikely. It has never been done in America and the idea that one of his sons would be interested and able to repeat Trumps success doesn’t make sense to me. As for other possible candidates, certainly there are many and this plan could be derailed by many things including another candidate. But any other candidate would have his own power base, Ms Haley would owe her national position entirely to the Donald. A nice piece of insurance for the future. Thanks for your comments! keep em coming. ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/47 "2016-11-25T15:27:19Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Anything is possible, but I think you’re giving Trump too much credit as a thinker and long-term strategist. remember that several years ago New York republicans met with Donald Trump intending to ask him to run for political office, either Senate or Governor, he declined telling them he was planning to run for President and didn’t want to waste his time at a lower level position. He does plan ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/48 "2016-11-25T21:14:58Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Her parents being Indian has no bearing on whether she is white. If she looks white, she is white. That’s the entire fucking concept of race. It is entirely visually based. That’s the definition–it’s why being anti-ginger is still racism. > > And, will this board ever learn that snark means you lost the argument? You don’t need snark if your argument is good. You use it when it’s not. Yep. The snarksters are missing the point: _Trump is getting credit for A Diversity-Pick when the person he picked is not known for being “non-white.”_. The news media had to inform most of the nation that Haley is of Indian parentage. They wouldn’t have bothered if it were common knowledge. It’s as if Trump offered _Starship Troopers_ lead Casper Van Dien a cabinet post and declared he now had a diverse cabinet, despite the fact that all the other posts had been filled by men who are, like Van Dien, blue-eyed blonds. But Van Dien claims Native American ancestry…so, hey, _diversity_! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/49 "2016-11-25T21:28:40Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yep. > > The snarksters are missing the point: _Trump is getting credit for A Diversity-Pick when the person he picked is not known for being “non-white.”_. The news media had to inform most of the nation that Haley is of Indian parentage. They wouldn’t have bothered if it were common knowledge. > > It’s as if Trump offered _Starship Troopers_ lead Casper Van Dien a cabinet post and declared he now had a diverse cabinet, despite the fact that all the other posts had been filled by men who are, like Van Dien, blue-eyed blonds. But Van Dien claims Native American ancestry…so, hey, _diversity_! What a load of crap. If you had one drop of evidence that she identifies as white you might have a point but so far all I’ve seen is she’s a Republican who didn’t decide to marry a guy of Indian descent. It’s goddamn shameful that you guys want to strip her of her ethnicity on that basis. Seriously shameful. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/50 "2016-11-25T21:56:19Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What a load of crap. If you had one drop of evidence that she identifies as white you might have a point but so far all I’ve seen is she’s a Republican who didn’t decide to marry a guy of Indian descent. It’s goddamn shameful that you guys want to strip her of her ethnicity on that basis. Seriously shameful. Again with the point-missing. “You guys want to strip her of her ethnicity” has to be some sort of record. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/51 "2016-11-25T22:02:29Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Trump doesn’t have any succession plans. “Après moi, le déluge” We might not even have to wait for the après. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/52 "2016-11-25T22:04:15Z")
Hell, she might just be the best of the lot! Has she any real competition at this point? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/53 "2016-11-25T22:06:18Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > What a load of crap. If you had one drop of evidence that she identifies as white you might have a point but so far all I’ve seen is she’s a Republican who didn’t decide to marry a guy of Indian descent.\*\* It’s goddamn shameful that you guys want to strip her of her ethnicity on that basis.\*\* Seriously shameful. That’s OK, you guys have [Ann Coulter](http://www.mediaite.com/online/ann-coulter-sticks-her-head-into-trump-transition-by-mocking-nikki-haleys-indian-heritage/) to carry your banner. > [@](#): > > Yes, Ann Coulter still really hates Nikki Haley. > > ``` > If Trump wants an Indian Sec of State, how about Tonto? > > — Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) November 17, 2016 > > ``` > > The tweet comes as reports trickled out that the Trump team was considering Haley, the South Carolina governor, for Secretary of State. > > It’s not the only time Coulter has brawled with Haley. She endorsed Sen. Marco Rubio ahead of the South Carolina primary, and Coulter lashed out in response saying Haley was “determined to … replace those awful sons of the Confederacy with Bangledeshi migrants.” > > Last year, she said the South Carolina governor was “an immigrant and doesn’t understand America’s history.” ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/54 "2016-11-25T22:09:53Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Again with the point-missing. > > “You guys want to strip her of her ethnicity” has to be some sort of record. Uh, some sort of record for what? How clearly one can point out bullshit to someone? Here’s Nikki acting all white while visiting India: [https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/gettyimages-459012790.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=640](https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/gettyimages-459012790.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=640) They also had both a Sikh and Methodist wedding ceremony. She continues to regularly attend different Sikh events. And good for you that “you don’t see color” like Colbert’s comical persona, but she frigging looks Indian to us mere mortals. I’m not missing a point, you are completely wrong. From my perspective, purposely wrong to score a political point. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/55 "2016-11-25T22:14:29Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That’s OK, you guys have [Ann Coulter](http://www.mediaite.com/online/ann-coulter-sticks-her-head-into-trump-transition-by-mocking-nikki-haleys-indian-heritage/) to carry your banner. Did you mean to address me? Because it’s clearly Amateur Barbarian, Sherrerd and BigT mocking her Indian heritage, not me. Strange bedfellows, I must say. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/56 "2016-11-25T22:21:24Z")
Don’t say “Ann Coulter” and “bedfellow” at the same time! Sure, free speech, but there _are_ limits! ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/57 "2016-11-25T23:27:24Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > There are only 2 reasons: > > 1. It helps calm the claims that his appointments aren’t diverse. > 2. Haley is term limited in 2018. She wants some foreign policy experience. It’s a win win for both Trump and Haley since the Lt. Governor of South Carolina is a hard core Trumper. This insulates Trump from a Haley who might be willing to call out Trump on some of his more outrageous statements. I’m not a fan of Haley but she actually gave the Republican rebuttal to the State of the Union last year and it was more of a swipe at Trump than Obama. She supported Rubio in the primary but reluctantly supported Trim one he no he received the nomination. She has been a rising star for a while. Sent from my HTC6525LVW using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![aag3981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@aag3981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aag3981)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/58 "2016-11-25T23:29:23Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I know practically nothing about her other than she’s Republican. I do know that she was impressively passionate about removing the confederate flag from the govt. grounds in SC. She supported the confederate flag until a white guy shot up a black church. Like most politicians, she conveniently changed her position when it was politically OK to do so. Sent from my HTC6525LVW using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/59 "2016-11-25T23:39:03Z")
Is UN ambassador a position that’s well-suited for learning the ropes of foreign policy? ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894/60 "2016-11-26T15:06:09Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Is UN ambassador a position that’s well-suited for learning the ropes of foreign policy? I would think so. One of the few foreign policy positions where one routinely deals with all the major powers plus all the medium powers plus all-well you get the idea. The UN ambassador probably doesn’t get involved in the management of trade between the US and India (to pick a random example), but surely is kept informed of any significant issues between the US and any other state. As for foreign policy politics-I believe the republicans jumped all over the UN ambassador over Bengzhi-the ambassador wasn’t immediately clear and accurate with what happened there and so was deliberately misleading the American public. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nikki-haley-for-president-trumps-plan/772894.md?page=4)