# Nipple hypocrisy in Fantasia **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 15, 2003, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785 "2003-01-15T18:20:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/1 "2003-01-15T18:20:31Z")
I was reading an article someone linked from a previous post that said that Walt Disney did not want the Nymphs (which looked more like **Centaurs** to me) to have nipples, in some attempt to de-sexualize the cartoon or somesuch silliness to make it more ‘family’ oriented. Well, if that was such a concern, why not do the same with the Harpies? Why give the Harpies nipples and not the nymphs? Was this something that slipped through the cracks? Granted, there was more footage of topless nymphs than there were of harpies in the movie, but it still seems rather inconsistent to me. ---
**Author:** ![skaterboarder87](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@skaterboarder87](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skaterboarder87)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/2 "2003-01-15T18:27:50Z")
Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/3 "2003-01-15T18:31:24Z")
This was (briefly) discussed in some of the extra material on the _Fantasia Legacy_ DVD. IIRC, the main objection was the screen time the nymphs were getting, and it was a last-minute change. The harpies just slipped through the cracks; they weren’t mentioned at all. And I think “nipple hypocrisy” is my phrase for the day. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/4 "2003-01-15T18:31:28Z")
He also made them draw all the guys with short hair, too. He had a bit of a problem with long hair on men. But that’s not important right now. From the IMDB trivia for Fantasia: > [@](#): > > In the “Pastoral Symphony” segment there was originally a scene showing black centaurs shining the hooves of white centaurs. It was not until the 1969 re-release that this was thought objectionable, and all subsequent releases until 1980 had an abrupt cut at this point. The current video release includes the scene, but with the frame cropped to show only the face of a white centaurette. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/5 "2003-01-15T18:31:38Z")
Kids back then would be all excited to see the naked Nymphs, but not the Harpies. Walt unfortunately did not predict the Goth trend, which brought up kids who would start flogging the dolphin to the naked Harpies. Just my take on it! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/6 "2003-01-15T18:32:53Z")
I posted a thread about this exact thing a couple of years ago. It seems you can’t have nipples in a Disney film unless you’re _EVIL_! A real letdown for those good little centauresses. Cite? Go see the film. ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/7 "2003-01-15T18:33:26Z")
No, no **skaterboarder87** you’ve got it all wrong. It should now be, “:dubious: cite?” ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/8 "2003-01-15T18:33:46Z")
My WAG would be that while nymphs can be considered “sexy”, there is no way in God’s green earth that a harpy ever will be, so it doesn’t matter if the harpy has nipples because no one is gonna notice in “that way”… ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/9 "2003-01-15T18:37:50Z")
According to Richard Shickel’s “The Disney Version,” the centaurs were supposed to be nude, and there were nipples. It wasn’t Disney that had them removed, however; it was the Hays Office. There was absolutely no way a film in 1941 was going to get away with showing bare breasts. (Though evidently showing buttocks were OK – see the last shot of the sequence 🙂 ) The harpies were probably missed. I hadn’t heard of it before. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/10 "2003-01-15T18:40:22Z")
here is the link for all you who are still in doubt- [http://www.harbeck.ca/James/nipples.html](http://www.harbeck.ca/James/nipples.html) Just briefly touches on that fact. But it had me wondering. And Arden Ranger, you do make a good point that the Centa- I mean nymphs are much more provocative than harpies. ---
**Author:** ![Podkayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Podkayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Podkayne)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/11 "2003-01-15T20:14:01Z")
Harpies are scary. Just like female sexuality. Makes sense to me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/12 "2003-01-15T20:14:42Z")
The part with the nymphs/centaurs always makes me sleepy. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/13 "2003-01-15T20:18:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Incubus \* > \*\*here is the link for all you who are still in doubt- > > [http://www.harbeck.ca/James/nipples.html](http://www.harbeck.ca/James/nipples.html) > > Just briefly touches on that fact. But it had me wondering. > \*\* You can’t trust this. He make an glaring error in the first paragraph. Chip 'n Dale couldn’t have been incinerated in Bambi (1942); they first appeared five years later. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/14 "2003-01-15T20:31:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RealityChuck \* > \*\*You can’t trust this. He make an glaring error in the first paragraph. Chip 'n Dale couldn’t have been incinerated in Bambi (1942); they first appeared five years later. \*\* Do any animals die on screen in Bambi? I don’t think they do. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/15 "2003-01-15T21:31:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RealityChuck \* > \*\*You can’t trust this. He make an glaring error in the first paragraph. Chip 'n Dale couldn’t have been incinerated in Bambi (1942); they first appeared five years later. \*\* You’re right and you’re wrong. They couldn’t have been in Bambi, but their first appearance was the following year (1943) in the short “Private Pluto.” ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/16 "2003-01-15T21:35:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zebra \* > \*\*Do any animals die on screen in Bambi? I don’t think they do. \*\* Umm… don’t want to spoil it or anything… Bambi’s mom isn’t exactly in the sequels, ya know… ---
**Author:** ![Morgainelf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Morgainelf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgainelf)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/17 "2003-01-15T21:40:46Z")
It always bothered me that the nymphs/centaurs paired off according to color. The thing with the nipples was just the icing on the cake. I’ve never liked the Pastorale section… I bet Beethoven would have hated it. ---
**Author:** ![Super\_Gnat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Super\_Gnat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Super_Gnat)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/18 "2003-01-15T22:53:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ethilrist \* > \*\*Umm… don’t want to spoil it or anything… > > Bambi’s mom isn’t exactly in the sequels, ya know… \*\* Yeah, but unless there’s some super-secret version running around she didn’t die on-screen. I never noticed be-nipple harpies; actually, I never noticed harpies at all. I’ll hafta watch it again. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/19 "2003-01-16T02:03:57Z")
They were ghost harpies, flying around near the end during that “Night On Bald Mountain” segment with the giant demonic bodybuilder. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/20 "2003-01-16T02:23:53Z")
I feel I must point out that the correct term is “nipocrisy”. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785.md?page=2)