# Nipple hypocrisy in Fantasia **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 15, 2003, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785 "2003-01-15T18:20:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/21 "2003-01-16T02:37:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > \*\*I feel I must point out that the correct term is “nipocrisy”. \*\* Oooooh! Are they still around? I loooove the Disposable Heroes of Nipocrisy! The stuff they did on _Spare-Ass Annie_ was awesome! ---
**Author:** ![Atreyu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@Atreyu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atreyu)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/22 "2003-01-16T02:52:06Z")
Oh…_that_ Fantasia. Never mind. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/23 "2003-01-16T17:17:21Z")
**This whole post is nothing but spoilers.** Bambi’s mother dies off screen. I’m pretty sure that nobody dies on screen in Bambi. Actually I’m trying to think of ON SCREEN deaths in the Disney Animated films. Snow White No on screen deaths Witch falls off cliff and buzzards exchange a knowing look. Pinocchio No on screen deaths. Well Pinocchio dies but he’s made of wood and is brought back to life. Dumbo Nope Fantasia Some Dinos die. Bambi Don’t think so Sleeping Beauty The witch dies but as a dragon and when we look down at the body there is none. He crow is turned to stone. Lady and the Tramp The rat dies. Jungle Book Nope Although Baloo plays dead for a bit. 101 Dalmatians Nope Alice in Wonderland Nope (well some clams in the Walrus and the Carpenter) Lion King Yes Mufasa dies and we see the body. Little Mermaid The witch blows up real good as do her hench eels. Aladdin nope I’m pretty sure that the only dead body we get to see is Mufasa. Back to the OP I think The Little Mermaid gives far more than a ‘kiss me’ look to the prince during Kiss the Girl. It’s more of a ‘You may not survive the sexual encounter you are about to have with me the the mortician will not be able to get the smile off your face’ type of look. ---
**Author:** ![80sHairMetalMaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/8/ed655f/32.png) [@80sHairMetalMaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/80sHairMetalMaven)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/24 "2003-01-16T18:05:44Z")
**giant demonic bodybuilder** –he has a name. The demon in the Night on Bald Mountain sequence is named Chernabog.🙂 I only know that because I am fascinated with Disney villains and he’s one of my faves. IDBB ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/25 "2003-01-16T18:21:27Z")
I can completely understand you not wanting to draw any attention whatsoever to the pile of a-historical bat crap that is _Pocahontas_, however, in the interests of accuracy/completeness, I feel it is only right to point out that Kocoum dies after being shot by Thomas. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/26 "2003-01-16T18:41:02Z")
I’ve actually heard that “The Lion King” is the first movie to show the on-screen death of a good character. I even started a thread about it. ---
**Author:** ![80sHairMetalMaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/8/ed655f/32.png) [@80sHairMetalMaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/80sHairMetalMaven)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/27 "2003-01-16T18:48:20Z")
I think you’re right on t hat,zoggie. IDBB ---
**Author:** ![80sHairMetalMaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/8/ed655f/32.png) [@80sHairMetalMaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/80sHairMetalMaven)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/28 "2003-01-16T18:51:17Z")
Actually upon further research, the first death of a ‘good’ character was in the movie “Bambi”. Bambi’s mother (who was never given a name but was a major character throughout a good portion of the film nonetheless)is shot by the hunter upon entering the meadow. IDBB ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/29 "2003-01-16T22:16:07Z")
**IDBB** We are talking about ON SCREEN deaths. Meaning where you see the dead body. (which is a bit silly since it is a drawing after all) Bambi’s mother is killed off screen. They run from the hunters and Bambi pulls ahead. You hear a shot and mother never shows up back at the den. Bambi never finds her body and in fact they never say. “Shes dead” (Jim) There is a bit of a difference and you could in theory tell a kid. ‘Bambi’s mom is just lost.’ They rarely even show the villians death. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/30 "2003-01-16T22:29:59Z")
huh? All the villians keep falling to their doom. It’s like Disney villians are negatively charged and the bottoms of ravines and cliffs are positively charged! ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/31 "2003-01-17T03:35:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by I\_Dig\_Bad\_Boys \* > \*\ ***The demon in the Night on Bald Mountain sequence is named Chernabog** Isn’t that Russian for ‘Black God’? If you dig bad boys, can you handle _him_? All I can tell you is I saw _Fantasia_’s 1969 re-release as a kid, right after I first finished reading _The Lord of the Rings_. I remember being convinced that that was exactly what **Morgoth** looked like. ---
**Author:** ![Super\_Gnat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Super\_Gnat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Super_Gnat)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2003, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/32 "2003-01-17T04:07:48Z")
Having re-watched it, I’m surprised on several counts: 1. That apparently no great uproar was raised. 2)Why they were there at all (was it absolutely necessary to focus on tits instead of, say, face or hand or something?) 2. That Opal didn’t make an appearance 😉 3. That they weren’t edited out of future versions and 4. That I _never noticed this before_! I was expecting some kind of blurry, split screen thing. But when they did come they were pretty hard to miss. As an aside, what was up with the whole _Bald Mountain_ vs. _Ave Maria_ juxtaposition. I mean, evil gets to have wings and a mountain and skeletons and morphing succubi and titted harpies. And what does good get? Just some boring lanterns and a sunrise! What’s up with that? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2003, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/33 "2003-01-17T19:51:18Z")
Bambi’s mother didn’t DIE, people. Haven’t you seen the sequel- Bambi 2002? “I’m rappin’ Bambi I’m here to say I’m the breakfast of the forest every day! I’ve got Flower, and Thumper by my side And I know how to kick!” (kicks Osama bin Laden) Forest Animals: USA!! USA!! USA!! with- David Spade as a sassy new Thumper, Jared from the Subway commercials and the New York Yankees! (all care of SNL’s TV Funhouse) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2003, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/34 "2003-01-17T20:40:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jomo Mojo \* > \*\* > All I can tell you is I saw _Fantasia_’s 1969 re-release as a kid, right after I first finished reading _The Lord of the Rings_. I remember being convinced that that was exactly what **Morgoth** looked like. \*\* Interesting…when I first saw Fantasia (1971), my first reaction is that that he would make a great Balrog. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2003, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/35 "2003-01-17T21:06:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Avalonian \* > \*\* > And I think “nipple hypocrisy” is my phrase for the day. 🙂 \*\* better than that, i think i could be a…well…you know 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2003, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/36 "2003-01-17T21:14:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*huh? All the villians keep falling to their doom. It’s like Disney villians are negatively charged and the bottoms of ravines and cliffs are positively charged! \*\* Hey! You don’t have to get all tech-geeky about it. “Gravity” is a perfectly valid physical principle, and I think saying “they fall to their doom” is a perfectly valid way of explaining it. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/37 "2003-01-18T01:54:40Z")
Yeah, but it’s ONLY the villains that fall to their doom in Disney movies. No one else ever does. Maybe everybody **but** the villains is wearing magical anti-gravity underwear. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/38 "2003-01-18T01:57:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jomo Mojo \* > All I can tell you is I saw _Fantasia_’s 1969 re-release as a kid, right after I first finished reading _The Lord of the Rings_. I remember being convinced that that was exactly what **Morgoth** looked like. Waaaaaaaait a minute … Morgoth is hardly even **mentioned** in _Lord of the Rings_! It’s always “Sauron this” and “Sauron that.” Morgoth only had a major role in _The Silmarillion_. ---
**Author:** ![Bullwinkle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@Bullwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/39 "2003-01-18T03:53:07Z")
**Avalonian** , ‘Nipple Hypocrisy’ is a wonderful quote (actually, didn’t they open for STP in 1998?), but I’ve got to give my props to **Tars** ’ “flogging the dolphin to the naked harpies”. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2003, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785/40 "2003-01-18T09:03:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Incubus \* > Why give the Harpies nipples and not the nymphs? Was this something that slipped through the cracks? Well if they couldn’t show nipples, they certainly shouldn’t have shown their cracks.😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nipple-hypocrisy-in-fantasia/148785.md?page=3)