# NJ Adolph Hitler update **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 3, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080 "2013-06-03T23:51:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/61 "2014-01-01T19:51:25Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > Chances are good Mr. Nazi wasn’t born a monster. If you could even call him that for the information we’ve been given regarding his behavior. I’d say there are plenty of people who have never been investigated who are more deserving of having their children removed from their homes. We don’t even know why his kids were removed. Although he’s obviously a lunatic and teaching his children reprehensible beliefs that are not compatible with living a semi-functional life in society. So I have no doubt that there is sufficient reason, but I’m sure there is plenty we don’t know also. I think I also read that there was something about domestic violence? And yeah he was almost certainly raised by horrible parents himself. Hopefully now his kids will now have a chance to break the cycle of being totally fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/62 "2014-01-01T20:00:01Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > Maybe it’s easier to condemn than to understand? Can’t we do both? If I knew his background I might be able to empathize and help him try to get past it while still condemning his actions and supporting the ruling that removes his children. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2014, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/63 "2014-01-01T20:57:50Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > I’m back to elaborate. When I read these kinds of threads sometimes I feel frustrated that people can’t see the larger picture. > > Chances are good Mr. Nazi wasn’t born a monster. If you could even call him that for the information we’ve been given regarding his behavior. I’d say there are plenty of people who have never been investigated who are more deserving of having their children removed from their homes. > > What happened to him as a little, defenseless boy to bend him this way? Was it his father? If so, what happened to his father as a defenseless little boy? > > Sometimes it amazes me that we aren’t all hopelessly bent considering the amount of crap we all deal with while we’re growing up. > > But some of us are more mistreated, or more fragile, or more seriously damaged than others of us. Some abused children even become champions of the downtrodden. It didn’t work that way for this man. And more’s the tragedy for his children, multiple wives and himself. > > As I read here I wondered how many variations of the angry comments this man had heard from his family and mentors in his life. More of same. > > Don’t dare say I defend child abuse. It’s just that without some understanding of the power and vastness of scope we can hardly ever work up enough tolerance to help heal it. > > Maybe it’s easier to condemn than to understand? Actually there is very little ‘science’ that says, being abused as a child, makes you a child abuser. It’s actually very wrong of you to say this, basically you are saying those kids are hopeless cases. They are not. Even you in your post say you are amazed that we all aren’t hopelessly bent. Because most people get through it. This man has something wrong with him. It’s probably a combination of nature and nurture. But stop saying child abuse caused child abuse. It’s wrong and if you think it’s true, I’m going to ask for a cite. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/64 "2014-01-02T19:34:29Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > I’m back to elaborate. When I read these kinds of threads sometimes I feel frustrated that people can’t see the larger picture. > > Chances are good Mr. Nazi wasn’t born a monster. If you could even call him that for the information we’ve been given regarding his behavior. I’d say there are plenty of people who have never been investigated who are more deserving of having their children removed from their homes. > > What happened to him as a little, defenseless boy to bend him this way? Was it his father? If so, what happened to his father as a defenseless little boy? > > Sometimes it amazes me that we aren’t all hopelessly bent considering the amount of crap we all deal with while we’re growing up. > > But some of us are more mistreated, or more fragile, or more seriously damaged than others of us. Some abused children even become champions of the downtrodden. It didn’t work that way for this man. And more’s the tragedy for his children, multiple wives and himself. > > As I read here I wondered how many variations of the angry comments this man had heard from his family and mentors in his life. More of same. > > Don’t dare say I defend child abuse. It’s just that without some understanding of the power and vastness of scope we can hardly ever work up enough tolerance to help heal it. > > Maybe it’s easier to condemn than to understand? Because at a certain point when you become an adult you are responsible for your own actions regardless of your childhood. My sympathy for you ends when you start being shitty to other people. > [@Blackberry](#): > > We don’t even know why his kids were removed. Although he’s obviously a lunatic and teaching his children reprehensible beliefs that are not compatible with living a semi-functional life in society. So I have no doubt that there is sufficient reason, but I’m sure there is plenty we don’t know also. I think I also read that there was something about domestic violence? > > And yeah he was almost certainly raised by horrible parents himself. Hopefully now his kids will now have a chance to break the cycle of being totally fucked up. In New Jersey child welfare cases are sealed and the courtroom is not open to the press. But DCF has stated that the children were not removed due to ther names or his political beliefs. It has gone through so many layers and in front of enough judges that I am convinced they have a strong case. When I first saw Campbell in person he was wearing tan pants and a tan Dickey shirt with black tie tucked in. He had some badges and emblems in black and red but no swaztikas. The outfit gave the impression of nazi without being overt. At the time he was just claiming to be interested in the era but said he wasn’t a Nazi. Now you can see he has gone all in. He is reveling in the attention. But I don’t think he realizes most people are laughing at him. And of course it all started from him when he complained to the press about the birthday cake. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/65 "2014-01-03T00:58:01Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > Actually there is very little ‘science’ that says, being abused as a child, makes you a child abuser. It’s actually very wrong of you to say this, basically you are saying those kids are hopeless cases. They are not. Even you in your post say you are amazed that we all aren’t hopelessly bent. Because most people get through it. This man has something wrong with him. It’s probably a combination of nature and nurture. > > But stop saying child abuse caused child abuse. It’s wrong and if you think it’s true, I’m going to ask for a cite. I didn’t say that there is a known single cause of child abuse. Nor did I say that this man or his children are incurable. But if you have been abused as child it’s far more likely that you will suffer from brain changes that will contribute to various health problems in the future including abusing your own children. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/66 "2014-01-03T01:04:49Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Because at a certain point when you become an adult you are responsible for your own actions regardless of your childhood. My sympathy for you ends when you start being shitty to other people. And rightly so I think. But I never asked for sympathy for that man. I asked for understanding of the wide scope of child abuse in the hopes that it prevents us, the observers, from catching a case of the mean just by reading about it. Have you ever read a case about someone being murdered or harmed in a horrible way and then the thread is filled with people who want to skin the perpetrator alive and mention all other kinds of unspeakable things they’d like to do to him? That’s the same kind of malicious thinking that breeds abuse. Ironic and scary. If anything understanding should contribute to developing habits in all of us that will make us better persons ourselves, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/67 "2014-01-04T18:55:14Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > I didn’t say that there is a known single cause of child abuse. Nor did I say that this man or his children are incurable. > > But if you have been abused as child it’s far more likely that you will suffer from brain changes that will contribute to various health problems in the future including abusing your own children. Cite? Don’t tell me it’s common knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Running\_with\_Scissors](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Running\_with\_Scissors](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Running_with_Scissors)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/68 "2014-01-04T19:39:16Z")
[Here’s one](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213401002861)… ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/69 "2014-01-05T09:19:21Z")
Can’t really read that one. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/70 "2014-01-05T09:32:04Z")
[Here is another study of studies](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673600026568) about this. Recomending standards for this type of study. > [@](#): > > There is widespread belief that individuals who were physically abused during childhood are more likely to abuse their own children than those who were not abused, but the empirical studies examining this belief have not been systematically reviewed. The aim of this study was to evaluate systematically, based on eight methodological standards derived from a hypothetical randomised controlled trial, the design of studies investigating the intergenerational transmission of child physical abuse. Their findings > [@](#): > > In the ten studies identified (four cohort, one cross-sectional, and five case-control), the relative risks of maltreatment in the children of parents who were abused during childhood were significantly increased in four studies (relative risks 4·75–37·8), but in three other studies the relative risks were less than 2. Most study reports provided a clear description of abuse of parents during childhood and abuse of their children. Five studies failed to avoid recall and detection bias; five did not ensure that controls were not themselves maltreated; eight did not provide adequate follow-up; and in six the report did not state whether the enrolled parent was responsible for the maltreatment. Most studies did not control for intervening factors, such as sociodemographic characteristics during the time of abuse of the parent generation and at the time their children were abused. Only one study met all eight criteria (relative risk of abuse transmission 12·6 [95% CI 1·82–87·2]) and one met six (1·05 [0·53–2·06]). and here another [study](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0145213405001146) that says yes there can be a generational passing but it is mitigated by the condition of said family. If the family was primarily when the family environment was conflictual, uncohesive and unexpressive, then the abuse was more easily passed. (i think that’s what they mean) but if those evironmental things were different in the second generation then the abuse was less likely. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/71 "2014-11-12T15:28:40Z")
I’m bumping this because a few people seem to be interested in the story and there is an update. But not really enough to warrant a new thread. [Heath Campbell](http://www.nj.com/hunterdon-county-democrat/index.ssf/2014/11/parental_rights_of_nazi_dad_we.html#incart_river) has lost yet another appeal to get his children back. Knowing how quick local courts and DCPP are to return children to families or at the very least give supervised visitation, I am pretty certain that the case must be strong. Well beyond his political beliefs or what he named his children, ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/72 "2014-11-12T16:27:15Z")
Thank goodness! When I noticed that the most recent resurrection was active around the beginning of the year, I was afraid this one was to announce another offspring. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/73 "2014-11-12T16:30:09Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > There really is someone out there for everyone! > > Seriously, though, I find it so depressing to know that the stupidest and most dysfunctional people seem to be the ones who have the most kids. ☹ Let’s leave the Duggars out of this. . . I’m here all week folks. Try the veal. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/74 "2014-11-12T19:10:56Z")
I bet Campbell keeps getting these women because he’s a good dancer. You know, not many people knew it, but the Führer was a terrific dancer. He could dance the pants off of Churchill! ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/75 "2014-11-12T19:34:32Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > I bet Campbell keeps getting these women because he’s a good dancer. You know, not many people knew it, but the Führer was a terrific dancer. He could dance the pants off of Churchill! Sure, sure, but how was he at _painting_? Could he paint an entire apartment in one day? Two coats? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/76 "2014-11-12T21:17:18Z")
So if little Jersey Hitler grows up and is gay and wants to get gay married and a baker refused to bake the “Hitler Loves Joey” cake, I wonder whose side the media would be on. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/77 "2014-11-12T21:29:28Z")
The side with the most readers/viewers, I’m guessing. ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/78 "2014-11-12T21:37:46Z")
> [@Werekoala](#): > > The worst part, of course, is that he was smoking a cigarette when he showed up for court. That’s a really non-obvious but quite relevant point! The real Fuehrer [_hated_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany) smoking. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/79 "2014-11-12T21:54:11Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > I bet Campbell keeps getting these women because he’s a good dancer. You know, not many people knew it, but the Führer was a terrific dancer. He could dance the pants off of Churchill! Yes, a real “Goering Getter”, der fuhrer preferred dancing to Doenitz. Hess ideas on dancing earned him the Goebbels Prize! He once reportedly said to a wallflower, “Himmler Bormann, but Dancin’ Dietrich Eckart!” No one ever knew what he meant, but thats probably for the best. > [@robert\_columbia](#): > > That’s a really non-obvious but quite relevant point! The real Fuehrer [_hated_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany) smoking. …especially in Dresden. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080/80 "2014-11-13T16:16:24Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I know. I thought maybe the guy spelled it wrong, but no, it’s the OP. When a guy who can’t read spells something right and you can’t, I think it’s time to reevaluate. Sometimes I am such a douchebag. I don’t know what I was thinking with that post. Usually, even if I realize I shouldn’t have said something, I at least know where I was coming from. Not so here. Sorry, **Loach**. It was completely uncalled for. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-adolph-hitler-update/660080.md?page=5)