NJ Dem Senator Lautenberg dead

89?!

We don’t need a term-limits amendment, I think, but we do need an amendment to put an age-limit on Congresscritters. This kind of thing is just fucking embarrassing.

Anyone who has ever taught knows that the school day does not end at 2 or 3 in the afternoon. I typically took home an additional hour or two of work each day.

Christie attacking teachers is the stupidest fucking thing he could do. People move to this state for a few reasons. One of those reasons are good schools. How the hell do you attract qualified candidates to the profession by constantly attacking those who work in it? Sixty to seventy k is just about enough to buy a typical house here or rent a small apartment. My own house has been valued at $303k with about 5.5k in property taxes and it is not exactly a mansion.

I sure as hell didn’t move here because it was cheaper than Staten Island where we lived previously. I wouldn’t have sent a dog to my local elementary school back then. Here I pay three times the property taxes and get seventeen kids in my daughter’s elementary school rather than the thirty I typically encountered when I was subbing there.

Republicans should be ashamed of themselves for this shit. This is all part of their dirty campaign to deligitimize the public schools. Then they’ll privatize the schools, hand teaching jobs to twenty year olds, drive down the pay even further and force the rest of us to pay so that little Suzie and Jimmy can attend an evangelical school on my dime.

Christie may be slightly less nutty than your average Rep but he’s just as much an asshole on teachers as his fellow Reps. Without a good public education system with great support and decent pay for teachers, you will get a country not worth having.

Why not appoint the guy who was robbed of the seat when Lautenberg suddenly got into the race past the legal deadline?

:eek: They do?!

Attacking teachers for standing in the way of education reform, or for blowing up the budget, is as legitimate as doing the same to doctors, who generally opposed the ACA and whose profits also blow up our budget.

Now it’s not always politically smart do attack sympathetic people, but if you make the point correctly, it can be persuasive. And I do think in regards to teachers it’s working, partly because teachers’ unions also have a tin ear when it comes to politics.

But its very effective. If someone makes 30k a year play on their jealousy of those that make 40k a year that are paid through taxes. How dare they make more than me! People seem to forget, you get what you pay for. You want the teacher, cop or firefighter to make as much as your Walmart cahier? You are going to get the same quality.

Republican education “reform” is to privatize the schools and attempt turn them into Christian madrassas. They don’t care if most kids are educated just as long as they get their own kids a legacy admission into an ivy. Christie sends his own four kids to private Catholic schools.

The teacher’s union is a bit to blame on this one, I’ll grant you that. Teachers were given a 4% raise which I thought was too high. But still they’re not exactly getting rich. NJ student achievement levels and test are some of the very best in the entire country so it’s not as if they’re doing a lousy job.

I completely agree with you. One of my asshole neighbors has a hubby who allegedly makes 300k a year. She has repeatedly complained about how teachers are overpaid. I don’t mind paying sky high property taxes. But don’t you dare give me nothing in return. My local school is worth every damned penny. My ten year old loves the place. She’s excelling academically (gifted and talented in math and reading) and that’s at least in part because she has wonderful teachers.

Really? This is the first I’ve heard of it. I looked at the last eleven senators who died in office, going back to 1987.

In four cases, the deceased senator and governor were of the same party, and naturally the replacement was of the same party (following the deaths of Byrd, Chaffee, Burdick, Matsunaga, and East).

In four cases the governor replaced a senator with a member of the governor’s party instead of the senator’s party (following the deaths of Wellstone, Coverdell, Heinz, and Zorinsky). In two of those cases, the governor was a Democrat, in one case a Republican, and in one case Reform (Jesse Ventura).

In one case the governor did not have the authority to appoint a replacement (following the death of Kennedy). In one case a Democratic governor was statutorily required to replace a Republican with another Republic (following the death of Thomas).

In zero cases did a governor voluntarily replace a deceased senator with a member of the deceased senator’s party, except in cases where the governor was of that same party.

No.
He can make a deal with the Lt-Governor, resign, then when the Lt-Governor automatically becomes acting Governor, he appoints Christie as Senator.

That’s how it was done in Minnesota in 1976. But voters were quite upset by this, and at the next election 2 years later, he lost his bid for election to another term.

While Christie is not going to select a Democrat to replace Lautenberg, he’s also unlikely to select a Tea Partier. The new Senator will at least be someone who New Jersey voters would plausibly elect if given the chance. Which is why I think it should be the candidate who lost in 2002 due to th chicanery that put Lauternberg on the ballot.

That is indeed the Republican plan. And it makes no sense because the public schools are so well run. Good teachers always rise to the top and it’s easy to remove incompetent teachers and corrupt, useless administrators. Indeed, the various teachers unions have been very open to reform and new ideas and don’t ever perpetuate the stereotype that senority automatically equates to ability.

The candidate the voters rejected.

The New Jersey Supreme Court made the correct ruling. Democracy would not have been served by keeping Torricelli on the ballot, then again, democracy doesn’t mean much to the modern republican party.

Yes, that is largely true, but relentless propaganda from Republican and corporate interests seeking to turn schools into sources of profit have, sadly, deceived many otherwise intelligent and well meaning people into thinking otherwise.

Even you, perhaps.
And explain again how you get better teachers and better education by taking away any hope of job security, firing teachers and reducing the funding to a school as soon as the test results they get drop a bit, keeping teacher pay low, and, like Christie, insulting the profession wholesale. Do you really think that is the way the way to attract the best and brightest into teaching?

Democracy is not served by allowing the parties to remove a losing candidate at the last minute.

In any case, there was a willingness to elect that candidate, who as I recall was a moderate, so it sounds like a good person to put into the Senate.

Doug Forrester. Who has been soundly defeated in two statewide elections. The party has passed him by.

That’s… this thread.

“A willingness”? As in, “somebody voted for him”?

As in, he would have beaten Torricelli.

He was polling down three points after being censured by the Senate. You might as well say there was a willingness to elect me Governor of Florida because I’d beat Snooki.

Toricelli was facing corruption charges, anyone could have beaten him. More telling is the fact that old-geezer Lautenberg beat Forrester 54%-44%. That’s what the people of NJ think of Forrester, or did back then at least.

I am afraid I didn’t see any attacks, unless you feel that making two statements about teaching that are found to be Mostly True by the source you yourself quoted is an attack.

So they should be ashamed to say truthful things? I don’t agree.

Regards,
Shodan