# NJ Senator Menendez indicted on multiple corruption charges {2023-09-22} - Convicted on all counts on July 16, 2024
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 22, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544 "2023-09-22T15:02:06Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)
#### Post date: [May 13, 2024, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/241 "2024-05-13T13:24:04Z")
[Here’s CNN’s story on it.](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/13/politics/bob-menendez-what-to-know-trial/index.html)
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### Author:  [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)
#### Post date: [May 13, 2024, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/242 "2024-05-13T13:37:08Z")
Thanks EddyTeddyFreddy. It looks like the trial is in New York. I loved BobLibDem’s exasperated line from last Sept 23 about Mendendez having cookie crumbs all over himself; I hope the jury can see that.
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### Author:  [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)
#### Post date: [May 13, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/243 "2024-05-13T21:35:09Z")
All right, they’re going through the jury pool to pick good ones. I hope it doesn’t seem I’m obsessing. It basically stems from thirty year long disgust with corrupt local politicians. I know of course Trump’s hush-money trial is page one.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-bob-menendez-bribery-case-jury-selection-begins-ahead-ny-trial-rcna150302p](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-bob-menendez-bribery-case-jury-selection-begins-ahead-ny-trial-rcna150302p)
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### Author:  [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)
#### Post date: [May 15, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/244 "2024-05-15T16:59:32Z")
per cnn:
the jury is set, trial ready to go.
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### Author:  [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)
#### Post date: [May 15, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/245 "2024-05-15T17:07:25Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#):
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> the jury is set, trial ready to go.
_starter gun noise_ “And they’re off!”
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### Author:  [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)
#### Post date: [May 15, 2024, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/246 "2024-05-15T17:17:07Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#):
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> the jury is set, trial ready to go.
It’s funny how fast the system can move when the defendant is not named Trump.
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### Author:  [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)
#### Post date: [May 15, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/247 "2024-05-15T17:34:34Z")
sen. menendez and his wife will be tried separately.
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### Author:  [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)
#### Post date: [May 15, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/248 "2024-05-15T18:08:51Z")
> [@Procrustus](#):
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> It’s funny how fast the system can move when the defendant is not named Trump.
No shit! Indicted to trial in 8 months. I wish justice moved so quickly elsewhere.
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### Author:  [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)
#### Post date: [May 15, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/249 "2024-05-15T22:16:41Z")
Well, Senator Menendez wants to get this trial over with ASAP so he can run for reelection without it hanging over his head this fall - assuming, of course, that he can beat the rap. If he can’t it doesn’t make much difference either way.
Trump, on the other hand, wants to delay as much of his legal troubles for as long as possible so that he can make them all go away when he assumes the Presidency next January. He knows that having charges hanging over his head won’t make a bit of difference to his electability, so for him beating the rap means avoiding the trials for as long as possible.
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### Author:  [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)
#### Post date: [May 15, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/250 "2024-05-15T23:29:36Z")
He’s not running, or at least he says he’s not.
I think this case is a lot easier than Trump’s NY one --Trump’s is pretty marginal, so the DA there has to really dot all Is and cross all Ts. Also, senators have been indicted and convicted lots of times, but Trump is number 1. (Although, fun fact, the average ex-president has actually faced two criminal charges)
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### Author:  [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2024, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/251 "2024-05-16T00:38:45Z")
He’s not running in the Democratic primary, but he’s left open the possibility of running as an independent.
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### Author:  [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)
#### Post date: [May 16, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/252 "2024-05-16T21:58:34Z")
> **[Sen. Bob Menendez's wife, who faces bribery charges with him, has breast cancer](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/sen-bob-menendezs-wife-faces-bribery-charges-breast-cancer-rcna152609)**
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> The announcement comes during the first week of the senator's trial, where he is accused of accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars of bribes in exchange for official acts.
Man that’s a lot of stress and exhaustion for Mrs. Menendez. It’s good thing they delayed her trial.
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### Author:  [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/253 "2024-05-17T00:03:40Z")
He’s a great guy. He’s announcing her cancer diagnosis and blaming her for the charges at the same time.
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### Author:  [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)
#### Post date: [May 17, 2024, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/254 "2024-05-17T10:49:18Z")
Hey, he could be announcing his divorce from her at the same time, right? What an upstanding and loyal public servant!
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### Author:  [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)
#### Post date: [May 21, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/255 "2024-05-21T20:33:29Z")
Gingrich/Menendez Venn diagram
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### Author:  [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)
#### Post date: [May 21, 2024, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/256 "2024-05-21T21:29:57Z")
Well, if she’s going to die anyway…
/s
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### Author:  [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)
#### Post date: [May 24, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/257 "2024-05-24T19:34:13Z")
The judge in Menendez’ case has ruled that evidence the prosecution describes as critical to their case cannot be used because it’s protected by the Speech or Debate Clause of the Constitution.
I swear God looks after fools, children and Bob Menendez.
[Judge rules Menendez’s prosecutors can’t show ‘critical’ evidence - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/24/bob-menendez-trial-prosecutors-evidence-00159937)
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### Author:  [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)
#### Post date: [May 25, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/258 "2024-05-25T21:47:48Z")
> [@flurb](#):
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> I swear God looks after fools, children and Bob Menendez.
Menedez probably has kompromat on God 🙂.
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### Author:  [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)
#### Post date: [June 4, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/259 "2024-06-04T14:22:10Z")
> [@flurb](#):
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> The judge in Menendez’ case has ruled that evidence the prosecution describes as critical to their case cannot be used because it’s protected by the Speech or Debate Clause of the Constitution.
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> I swear God looks after fools, children and Bob Menendez.
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> [Judge rules Menendez’s prosecutors can’t show ‘critical’ evidence - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/24/bob-menendez-trial-prosecutors-evidence-00159937)
Given the legal corruption allowed under that ruling I’m not very confident of a conviction. On the other hand I’m sure the feds were aware of the precedent and had to expect it. They did have a lot of other evidence. I do see the possibility of him getting off scot-free and his wife getting convicted.
Oh and he’s running as an independent.
> **[New Jersey Sen. Bob Menendez to run for reelection as independent](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/bob-menendez-new-jersey-senate-independent-bribery-trial/)**
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> The senator still has time to withdraw from the race and not appear on the ballot if he's convicted on bribery and corruption charges.
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### Author:  [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)
#### Post date: [June 4, 2024, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/260 "2024-06-04T14:27:26Z")
In another state an acquitted Menendez running as an independent might be an issue for Democrats. I don’t think that would be the case. Andy Kim is popular. The Republicans will be picking a no-name (today is the primary). Even if Trump’s choice gets the nomination I don’t think Menendez can siphon off enough votes from Kim to matter.
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