# NJ Senator Menendez indicted on multiple corruption charges {2023-09-22} - Convicted on all counts on July 16, 2024
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 22, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544 "2023-09-22T15:02:06Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2023, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/101 "2023-09-30T13:38:39Z")
Hahaha! Yeah, probably.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/102 "2023-09-30T14:11:55Z")
Wrongdoers proposing harsh penalties for their own wrongdoings is nothing new. Heck, look at the book of Esther.
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### Author:  [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2023, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/103 "2023-09-30T16:47:26Z")
Thank you. So he may be better off in prison in the end. At least he’ll not be homeless and hungry.
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### Author:  [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2023, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/104 "2023-09-30T20:03:35Z")
> [@flurb](#):
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> … bribery, perjury, conspiracy or other related crimes in the course of carrying out their official duties as a Member of Congress …
I suppose he could argue that collecting gold bars and his other activities were outside his “official duties as a Member of Congress.” I also expect that argument would go over like feces in a punchbowl.
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### Author:  [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/105 "2023-10-01T02:42:11Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#):
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> > [@flurb](#):
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> > Personally, I’d like to see Rep Andy Kim jump into the race.
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> [https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/23/politics/menendez-andy-kim-senate/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/23/politics/menendez-andy-kim-senate/index.html)
He needs to sing “Rock Me Gently” though. But yeah, good news.
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ym3RlvVR9M&t=7)
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### Author:  [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/106 "2023-10-01T05:36:08Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#):
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> I’m wondering how/whether his [**daughter**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Menendez) will cover the story, or if it will end up more like the [**Chris and Andrew Cuomo saga**](https://apnews.com/article/new-york-andrew-cuomo-chris-cuomo-75ead598311cbb60f188ffa46d09b7ce).
Alicia Menendez opened her show tonight by saying she would not be covering the story but MSNBC would continue covering it and they would not go easy on him on her behalf:
> **[MSNBC Anchor Alicia Menendez Addresses Father’s Indictment on Air](https://www.thedailybeast.com/msnbc-anchor-alicia-menendez-addresses-fathers-indictment-on-air)**
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> “I have been watching along with all of you, as a citizen and also as his daughter,” Menendez told viewers Saturday.
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### Author:  [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/107 "2023-10-01T09:33:32Z")
Ugh, I’d have so many questions about my family and life when this news came out.
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### Author:  [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/108 "2023-10-01T11:42:44Z")
When this story first came out, I tilted my head back and yelled at the sky: “Menendez!!!” Then I remembered the evil Simpsons character was Mendoza.
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### Author:  [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/109 "2023-10-01T12:02:01Z")
[A rundown by LegalEagle of the charges currently facing Menendez.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i91QRo03gs8) It looks pretty sloppy and brazen on his side, but the prosecutors may still have a tough time.
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### Author:  [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/110 "2023-10-01T13:03:53Z")
Maybe a psych eval. is warranted for this guy. He _had_ to have known they could come knocking at any time, and he had the money in envelopes in his clothes pockets. This is a cartoonishly stupid way to store it. You can’t even say he was hiding it.
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### Author:  [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/111 "2023-10-01T13:24:04Z")
A surprising side effect of the Roberts supreme court…
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/112 "2023-10-01T14:25:43Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#):
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> Ugh, I’d have so many questions about my family and life when this news came out.
I’d have to assume there would not be all that many questions. She may not have known specifically what Dad was up to, but she probably knew an awful lot about his character and as both an adult and a journalist had to also know the kinds of things people of that character commonly get up to.
How far her own apple has landed from that tree will be interesting question for her to ponder.
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### Author:  [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/113 "2023-10-07T14:47:44Z")
Menendez’s wife Nadine was involved in a fatal crash in 2018. At the time, it seemed to have been resolved, but new questions, such as why a high-ranking cop just happened to show up and advise her at the scene of the crash, have arisen in the wake of the corruption charges. The whole thing does smell a little hinky, IMHO.
> **[Recording raises new questions about police response to fatal crash involving...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/recording-raises-new-questions-police-response-fatal-crash-involving-s-rcna119311)**
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> Multiple sources are asking why a retired chief of detectives for the Bergen County Prosecutor’s Office showed up at the crash scene to apparently assist Nadine Menendez.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [October 7, 2023, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/114 "2023-10-07T16:23:38Z")
> [@DWMarch](#):
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> Alicia Menendez opened her show tonight by saying she would not be covering the story but MSNBC would continue covering it and they would not go easy on him on her behalf:
That sounds to me like the right way to handle it: Recognize the conflict of interest, and recuse oneself from it, while still letting other qualified people deal with it.
It’s a lesson a lot of other folks could stand to learn.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/115 "2023-10-12T16:45:13Z")
Superseding indictment just dropped, this one alleging that Menendez was a foreign agent for Egypt:
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/116 "2023-10-12T16:49:29Z")
Holy shit.
I understand the idea behind not expelling someone prior to conviction. But I also think maybe just maybe we shouldn’t have an outed spy in the halls of our government.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2023, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/117 "2023-10-12T16:52:52Z")
At the next GOP Senate caucus meeting:
**Senator Turtle** : “Next item on the agenda is beefing up the foreign agent law. We can’t have senators acting as agents for foreign countries for pay. I think this is a no-brainer, both on principle and because we can really hammer the Dems with it. Agreed?”
_Senator Turtle looks around the room. No-one makes eye contact. Several senators look down at their feet, fidget with pens…_
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### Author:  [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/118 "2023-10-12T16:59:05Z")
It’s like you’re in the room!
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### Author:  [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/119 "2023-10-12T17:18:08Z")
Hopefully, the spying charges will be enough to convince this guy to step down. What Santos did was terrible, but at least he wasn’t a foreign agent while heading the Foreign Relations Committee.
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### Author:  [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nj-senator-menendez-indicted-on-multiple-corruption-charges-2023-09-22-convicted-on-all-counts-on-july-16-2024/990544/120 "2023-10-12T17:35:28Z")
Do you think the whole committee might have to be investigated
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