# NME: GnR deliver "Chinese Democracy" to label **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 11, 2008, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832 "2008-04-11T02:13:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/1 "2008-04-11T02:13:05Z")
[It’s a cold day in hell](http://www.nme.com/news/guns-n-roses/35812): > [@](#): > > Guns N Roses have reportedly finished work on ‘Chinese Democracy’, the album that Axl Rose has been working on for the past 14 years. > > [Therockradio.com](http://Therockradio.com) reports that Geffen Records, the band’s record label, have confirmed they have received a finished copy of the album, and are currently haggling over money and rights issues with Rose. The article’s dated today, not last Tuesday, so maybe there’s something to this. Maybe we’ll actually get that [free Dr Pepper](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=461320). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/2 "2008-04-11T10:59:00Z")
A shame if it’s true. The story of making this album has been funny and it’ll be hard for the finished product to live down to expectations. The last time I checked Wikipedia about this album, though, they made it sound like the rights could be pretty complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Madd\_Maxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Madd\_Maxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madd_Maxx)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/3 "2008-04-11T13:47:58Z")
I’ll believe it when I see it on sale somewhere. This album has become a modern day white whale. It may exist but until I see some proof, I’m going to put it in the same category as Bigfoot. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/4 "2008-04-11T14:46:37Z")
There’s been leaks of supposed tracks that I’ve heard, and if those were real then it’s not too bad, but c’mon we’re talking about Axl Rose here. He’ll find a way to sabotage it somehow. Money and rights issues might just boil down to the next reason we’ll never see this album. If Axl had any mind left he should just throw the tracks out for free online and start work on a new album. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/5 "2008-04-11T15:58:27Z")
I’ve heard plenty of leaks, it’s very good but not great. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/6 "2008-04-11T16:01:59Z")
I don’t see the point in ever releasing it- it would have to be better than Appetite for it to live up to 15 years of hype. The lingering mystery of it is better than the actual prodcut, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/7 "2008-04-11T16:10:54Z")
On thing to bear in mind is that it’s really an Axl Rose solo album, not a G&R album, no matter what he calls his band. I’m curious to hear it. It might still be good. But I’ll never think of it as a real Guns 'N Roses album. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/8 "2008-04-11T16:11:29Z")
I’ve been hearing about the supposed Metallica/Rick Rubin project for a couple years, now. When the hell is that coming out? Also, my expectations of Chinese Democracy are so low that it HAS to live up to my personal hype. I can’t imagine how it could be a consistent, good sounding album. If it is, I’ll be very happy. ---
**Author:** ![chocolatefrog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/41988e/32.png) [@chocolatefrog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chocolatefrog)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/9 "2008-04-11T16:27:16Z")
It’s proving as elusive as its title suggests. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/10 "2008-04-11T16:29:22Z")
[QUOTE=chocolatefrog] It’s proving as elusive as its title suggests. [/QUOTE] I thought that was an intentional joke; i.e. you’ll see a new album from GnR right around the time we see \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/11 "2008-04-11T16:55:15Z")
A lot of people thought that Half Life 2 and Team Fortress 2 would never come out, but they did. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/12 "2008-04-11T16:59:09Z")
[QUOTE=control-z] A lot of people thought that Half Life 2 and Team Fortress 2 would never come out, but they did. [/QUOTE] Still, after 13 or 14 years, Chinese Democracy is in Duke Nukem Forever territory. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/13 "2008-04-11T17:29:23Z")
[QUOTE=Trunk] I’ve been hearing about the supposed Metallica/Rick Rubin project for a couple years, now. When the hell is that coming out? [/QUOTE] Supposedly by this coming fall if what Wiki has is correct, and it looks pretty well supported. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/14 "2008-04-11T20:55:43Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Still, after 13 or 14 years, Chinese Democracy is in Duke Nukem Forever territory. [/QUOTE] Pretty soon, Harlan Ellison will actually publish _The Last Dangerous Visions_. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/15 "2008-04-11T22:01:52Z")
[QUOTE=Madd Maxx] I’ll believe it when I see it on sale somewhere. This album has become a modern day white whale. It may exist but until I see some proof, I’m going to put it in the same category as Bigfoot. [/QUOTE] [White whale found.](http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080318203016.htm) > [@](#): > > Scientists aboard the NOAA research vessel Oscar Dyson in the North Pacific have sighted a creature of great rarity and even myth: a white whale. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/16 "2008-04-12T04:12:33Z")
[QUOTE=Trunk] I’ve been hearing about the supposed Metallica/Rick Rubin project for a couple years, now. When the hell is that coming out? [/QUOTE] Didn’t Rick Rubin produce Saint Anger? Or, as I’ve referred to it, the shameful implosion of Metallica album? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/17 "2008-04-12T04:19:01Z")
[QUOTE=Tristan] Didn’t Rick Rubin produce Saint Anger? Or, as I’ve referred to it, the shameful implosion of Metallica album? [/QUOTE] No, that was Bob Rock. He also played bass on it. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/18 "2008-04-12T04:29:58Z")
My friends Rev. Peyton and Washboard Breezy heard an early version of “Chinese Democracy” when the partied at the club above the Roxy, and [Axl Rose dropped by with a copy](http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4068782&blogID=93081484). They were of the opinion that it “sucked”. But it may simply not have been to their taste. ---
**Author:** ![Amber\_in\_Treasury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Amber\_in\_Treasury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amber_in_Treasury)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/19 "2008-04-12T11:33:56Z")
Suck or no suck, as everyone knows, this isn’t really G’n’R anymore. Anyway, I’m pretty confident ChiDem WILL eventually be released. Axl needs the botox money! ---
**Author:** ![blinkingblinking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@blinkingblinking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blinkingblinking)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2008, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832/20 "2008-04-12T12:18:04Z")
This seems a classic case of news sites just reporting what other sites have said. The NME is quoting [www.therockradio.com](http://www.therockradio.com) which is getting info from [AllYourTV.com](http://AllYourTV.com). When I looked at about 20 other sites they all were just getting info from NME. They all go back to this [article](http://allyourtv.com/0708season/news/april/04082008axlrose.html) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nme-gnr-deliver-chinese-democracy-to-label/444832.md?page=2)