# No Air America pit? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2005, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847 "2005-08-06T04:12:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/61 "2005-08-07T06:18:58Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > After a preliminary search I have to say: Cite? > > It seems Waxman never said that. She may be thinking of a similar story of a criticism made about John_Glenn_. [It’s over here at Snopes.](http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/62 "2005-08-07T06:26:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > She may be thinking of a similar story of a criticism made about JohnGlenn. It’s over here at Snopes. That assumes facts\* not in evidence. \*_That she’s thinking._ ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/63 "2005-08-07T06:30:58Z")
> [@lindacohen](#): > > Aye, an opposing view is often disagreeable to the digestion, eh mate? What a wit! Opposing, no. Contrary, yes. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/64 "2005-08-07T06:39:56Z")
> [@lindacohen](#): > > I’m saying I don’t think the club has been paid back by Air America, nor will it be, if at all, for two years according to [cite](http://www.nysun.com/article/18148) . Wasn’t the loan legal but improper? ---
**Author:** ![heatmiserfl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@heatmiserfl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heatmiserfl)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/65 "2005-08-07T15:42:19Z")
The link below contains the most detailed I have seen on this topic. > [@](#): > > The current parent corporation of Air America is Piquant LLC, with offices on Park Avenue. On May 24, 2004, Piquant acquired Air America from Progress Media. Piquant said in a statement last week that Progress was the entity to which the Gloria Wise loans went, and that it has been defunct since May 2004. Piquant said Mr. Cohen has not had any affiliation with the radio network since that point. > > “The current owners of Air America Radio have no obligation to Progress Media’s business activities,” the statement read. “We are very disturbed that Air America Radio’s good name could be associated with a reduction in services for young people, which is why we agreed months ago to fully compensate the Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club as a result of this transaction.” > > **_Ms. Graves said Air America has agreed in writing to pay back the full amount of more than $800,000 in installments over the next two years. It is unclear whether the funds allegedly obtained from Gloria Wise were ultimately received or spent by Air America_.** > **[Funds of a Bronx Youth Group Allegedly Lent to Air America](https://www.nysun.com/new-york/funds-of-a-bronx-youth-group-allegedly-lent/17846/)** > > The top executive at a Bronx youth organization said yesterday that the former director of Air America Radio received more than $800,000 in loans for himself and the radio network from the nonprofit organization while serving as its development It looks to me like Cohen was dishonest about fundraising for both Progress Media and Gloria Wise. His dishonesty and incompetence results in his demise a year ago. Yet, the new owners of Air America still agree (in writing) to pay off the amount of the loan to Gloria Wise even though they are not obligated. So the big scandal is…what? If anything, the new owners of Air America seem pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![lindacohen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a698b9/32.png) [@lindacohen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lindacohen)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/66 "2005-08-07T22:32:43Z")
If Cohen was legally an agent of Air America, noone can legally argue that it isn’t “obligated” to repay the theft. It is obligated to repay same as it stole from club, by way of agent. On top of that, is paying the money back interest free, so far, which is questionable, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/67 "2005-08-07T22:50:13Z")
> [@lindacohen](#): > > If Cohen was legally an agent of Air America, noone can legally argue that it isn’t “obligated” to repay the theft. Why don’t you contact the prosecutor for the jurisdiction in question, and ask why the “theft” wasn’t prosecuted. Report back. We await, breathlessly. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/68 "2005-08-07T22:50:22Z")
> [@lindacohen](#): > > If Cohen was legally an agent of Air America, noone can legally argue that it isn’t “obligated” to repay the theft. They can and have argued that. Air America didn’t borrow the money, _Progress Media_ did. Progress Media doesn’t exist anymore, and even though they weren’t the ones who borrowed the money, Air Ameirca’s _new_ parent company, Piquant LLC, is STILL paying it back. If I told you that you have to repay money owed by the person who lived in your house before you did, you’d probably say that was absurd. > [@](#): > > It is obligated to repay same as it stole from club, by way of agent. Where did you come to the conclusion that Air America stole this money? How do you read and type with your head up your ass? Answer the second question first. > [@](#): > > On top of that, is paying the money back interest free, so far, which is questionable, to say the least. “Questionable?” To pay back money they don’t owe? In what way? Please tell me you’re a qualified tax attorney or something instead of the loudmouthed dope you appear to be. Tell me you’ve got some leg to stand on and aren’t just making shit up because you can’t accept the fact that you’re totally wrong. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/69 "2005-08-07T22:52:53Z")
> [@lindacohen](#): > > If Cohen was legally an agent of Air America, And that is still wrong, get into your head that Cohen was an agent of Progress Media, Air America **belonged** to Progress media. > [@](#): > > noone can legally argue that it isn’t “obligated” to repay the theft. Oh yes they can, but here you are wrong once again for calling it theft, authorities are investigating a fraudelent **loan** that Cohen did. Once again, it will be theft only if there was no payment. > [@](#): > > It is obligated to repay same as it stole from club, by way of agent. On top of that, is paying the money back interest free, so far, which is questionable, to say the least. :rolleyes: What is questionable is why on the same line you can say theft and then say the “perpetrators” are paying! I guess \*\*Slacker \*\* was right. ---
**Author:** ![bizzwire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/958977/32.png) [@bizzwire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bizzwire)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2005, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/70 "2005-08-07T23:20:04Z")
> [@lindacohen](#): > > Hehe, I think Waxman once claimed McCain had never had a real job. As the **OP** and as the author of this _bon mot_ you are the ideal person to explain what, exactly, Waxman and McCain have to do with Air America. Not that I’m holding my breath or anything… ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/71 "2005-08-08T01:04:43Z")
> [@bizzwire](#): > > As the **OP** > > Not that I’m holding my breath or anything… Hey! You can’t steal my lines, asshole. 🙂 I said > [@](#): > > Report back. We await, breathlessly. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/72 "2005-08-08T01:38:51Z")
> [@lindacohen](#): > > If Cohen was legally an agent of Air America, noone can legally argue that it isn’t “obligated” to repay the theft. It is obligated to repay same as it stole from club, by way of agent. On top of that, is paying the money back interest free, so far, which is questionable, to say the least. Holy hell. **Lindacohen** , arguing with you is like making a sandwich with frozen peanut butter. When you’re done all you’ve got is a lumpy mess and no one is satisfied. Let me ask this as simply as possible: What would Air America Radio have to do for you to shut the gaping sinkhole on your lower face? What’s the righteous way out of this? Perhaps you can ask yourself WWEBND\*? I can’t wait to see what you’re next asinine objection will be. Let me try a couple for you: - Yeah well, Air America Radio should be using money in the first place. That money could have gone to armor our brave young men and women in Iraq! :mad: - Wait, they’re giving the money back to the Boys and Girls club? Isn’t that the group that goes around killing squirrels?!? How can they sleep at night??? - OMGWTFBBQ!?!??!111 Feel free to copy/paste those in to your next reply. I hereby release them into public domain for your use. Enjoy! \*_What would the Excellence in Broadcasting Network do?_ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/73 "2005-08-08T03:46:01Z")
> [@lindacohen](#): > > If Cohen was legally an agent of Air America, noone can legally argue that it isn’t “obligated” to repay the theft. It is obligated to repay same as it stole from club, by way of agent. On top of that, is paying the money back interest free, so far, which is questionable, to say the least. So, if I get mugged by the counter jockey from the McDonalds down the street, Mickey D’s has to pay me back whatever was in my wallet? Neat! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/74 "2005-08-08T03:56:26Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > - OMGWTFBBQ!?!??!111 BYOBS? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/75 "2005-08-08T06:36:44Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The statement says they fully compensated the club. I suppose I shouldn’t say with certainty that I know that means they gave all the money back. It appears that some agreement was reached, however. Actually, if you read the statement, all it says is that they agreed to reimburse the club. There’s no mention there that the club has been reimbursed fully at this time. A distinction with a difference, as we all know. I agreed to fully reimburse my auto financing company and my mortgage company last fall, but I haven’t gotten to the last payment in either book yet. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/76 "2005-08-08T06:41:50Z")
Actually, a distinction with_out_ a difference considering that Air America has no obligation to pay anything at all. If the club is satisfied, then what is the story here? ---
**Author:** ![PinkMarabou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ec9cab/32.png) [@PinkMarabou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PinkMarabou)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/77 "2005-08-08T12:02:30Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Actually, if you read the statement, all it says is that they agreed to reimburse the club. There’s no mention there that the club has been reimbursed fully at this time. > > A distinction with a difference, as we all know. I agreed to fully reimburse my auto financing company and my mortgage company last fall, but I haven’t gotten to the last payment in either book yet. But does that mean you stole the house/car/etc.? Does that make the deal illegal? **lindacohen** , you are grasping for straws here. What is your political persuasion by the way? Are you a Bush ball-licker? Are you feeling the weight of the corruption of the current administration so you are finding _anything_ to implicate those who do not share your beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/78 "2005-08-08T13:00:27Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Actually, a distinction with_out_ a difference considering that Air America has no obligation to pay anything at all. > > If the club is satisfied, then what is the story here? The club is not be the only party seeking satisfaction, considering that grant money was pulled from the club due to gross fiscal mismanagement concerning these loans. At the very least, the City of New York needs to be satisfied, and other government bodies may need to be as well. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/79 "2005-08-08T13:47:10Z")
Then, Mr. Moto, I assign you the task of finding out what these government bodies feel about this event. Go on. Return shortly with some information. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2005, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847/80 "2005-08-08T14:32:16Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Then, Mr. Moto, I assign you the task of finding out what these government bodies feel about this event. Go on. Return shortly with some information. Why let the facts get in the way of a good argument? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-air-america-pit/315847.md?page=5)