No child left 'behind', My ass.

I have a lot of friends and family who are teachers, and NCLB is enough to send them into fits. I’ve heard people say, “no child left behind, my ass” before, but actually reading it sent me into a fit of giggles; I emailed some of the teachers I know with the title (giving proper attributes, of course) and they were equally amused. So if nothing else, you gave a few teachers a much-needed giggle; which is always nice.

Miller makes a very good point with

I’ll have to share that sentiment as well.

I was also glad to see the article concerning the schools in Houston. I didn’t attend HISD, but the school district I attended in the 80s and 90s was already doing the push out kids, but don’t make it look like they dropped out gig. They were (and still are) very highly thought of. Basically, if you were bad for their scores, they would find a way to get you to leave (usually by making your life a living hell) and then keep their precious track record. I can give the anecdotal evidence of an acquaintance that had very, very severe asthma; but his brain, oi the guy was a genius. He ended up getting his GED and going to MIT, where they didn’t really care about his asthma. That’s pretty sad that the district would act that way (although it worked out for him). So to sum up my point: for some school districts, pushing kids out and fudging numbers isn’t anything new, its just going to get worse and become more wide spread (in my humble opinion).

I probably shouldn’t wade into this. But I’m an Editor for the company that creates and publishes the Stanford Achievement Test. I work with the State of Florida editing Interpretive Products for Florida’s huge and very customized assessment system.

First, let me say that I am no advocate of NCLB. I believe our schools are one of the most underfunded line items in our budgets, federal, state and local, and probably the most in need of more funding than perhaps even Social Security. I’m not convinced that assessment is the only tool in the tool box that should be funded.

But. I cannot understand the disconnect from what I’m reading on these boards, and what I hear people saying IRL, and the message that my state attempts to send. I think one factor in the disconnect is people’s willingness to read politics into areas of the program where politics are not warranted. Another major factor is what I like to call the redneck rumor mill. (Apologies to rednecks.) People will believe any outrageous, proposterous thing they want to just so they don’t have to accept the fact that their kid is not The Perfect Child and maybe the parent will have to, I dunno, turn off the TV and work on reading and math skills with their kid.

That said, there’s a few myths about, that I’d like to try to dispel, at least speaking for Florida. I do not want to defend large scale assessment, but I want to try to understand at what point the intent to help kids (the message) falls apart.

For example, “teach to the test.” Florida’s test is based on Standards which were chosen and written by Florida’s educators, parents, professionals and university-level educators. 90% of the people who write the test questions, vet the questions through a number of quality checks and select the questions for each test… are educators. The message Florida tries to send is: Don’t teach to the test. Teach the standards. If the kids learn the material listed in the standards, the test will be a cakewalk.

So, how did we get to this point? My kid’s teacher spends all her time helping kids pass the test and they don’t learn state capitals. My state requires teaching the state capitals as part of the standards. How did this disconnect happen? Is it poor PR on the part of the State? Are parents too busy to get on their state’s web sites and find out what’s going on with assessment, so they’re forced to believe whatever misinformation that happens to cross their radar on TV?

Here is some more information about Florida’s assessment program. Note that although the state requires certain standards to be met, districts and individual schools also have standards and requirements to be met. Be careful about where you direct your vitriol because it might toward the wrong demon.

It is like something I was reading recently, Dogzilla. Einstien learned from the very beginning how to ask questions. He had natural talent, sure, but asking questions is what ultimately made him Einstien. If I want to know something that does not relate entirely to the test, which I often do, my questions will be shot down simlpy because there is no time. How can there be any more Einstiens if no one tolerates questions anymore? Ok, kids know the “standards,” but is that really learning? They know a bunch of trivia facts but how will that ever help them? Alright, so they can tell you what the capitol of Kentucky is, but how important is that in the grand scheme of things?

Also, let us discuss this slightly related “closey of the minority gap.” What moron thinks this is actually working? Yes, I will admit that the minorities now have lower suspension rates and higher test scores, but that isn’t because they are fixing the problem. They are cutting funds from the white-majority schools and pouring funds into the high-minority schools, giving the white-majority schools a higher scale, and making sure that the minorites are NOT suspended under ANY circumstance. It does look good on paper, much like NCLB, but doesn’t mean it is actually doing anything.

No School Left Standing indeed.

I worked for a company that went through a period of intense customer dissatisfaction. Quality control fell off. Communications with customers were poor, with people failing to notify customers of needed changes to designs and failing to respond to customer inquires. A lot of the typical “bad” things that companies do.

So the company held meetings and established policies for clear channels of intra-company communications that should have ensured that everyone knew where every customer stood for each order and set up focus groups to tackle the sticky issues that were interfering with quality control. A year later, the same people got together to ask why their customer satisfaction was still falling and that quality control was still abysmal. They looked at all the things that said “This is what we want!” and “This is what we’ve told our employees!” and they just couldn’t figure out why their “message” had not resulted in their desired goal.

What they ignored, of course, was that they never removed the obligations of the plant managers to meet specific shipping goals. They could put in any wonderful plan they wanted, but if a plant fell short on shipments for the year the manager lost his bonus and if he fell short for a given month, he had to listen to a half-hour reaming about how he was letting down the division by failing to meet his quota. Thus, when something interfered with production, the plant managers were quick to reassign all the “feel good” employees to production tasks and when QA tried to prevent a shipment with a problem, the managers either ordered quick patch “solutions” or ordered the product shipped in spite of the problems. Those managers who implemented the quality assurance packages got “attaboys” in the company newsletter, but if they missed their quotas, they lost money and/or lost opportunities for promotion.

Using standardized tests repeats the same error. We already know from the last 20+ years that kids’ test scores can be improved by teaching them how to take the test, regardless of what they actually know. There is a whole industry geared toward getting higher marks on the the SAT and ACT exams to enter college. So the states (and now the Feds) set up up quotas: so high a grade and so much improvement each year or you will be penalized. Have a hurricane wipe out your building? What were the test scores? Have a severe flu epidemic? What were the test scores? Get more kids into college than any previous year? What were the test scores?

I’m sure that the people who put together the tests have the best interests in mind, but it is exactly the wrong way to promote education.

A kid who can tell you which part of the country is more likely to produce apples or paper or computer chips or automobiles, but who cannot identify 50 specific state capitals is going to show up on the test as having failed to “learn” the appropriate stuff, yet that student may be well on the way to becoming a better citizen.

I am not morally opposed to standardized tests, but they are being used in the wrong ways to promote the wrong types of education. And the Needy Children Left Behind program is the worst exacerbator of the worst way of using such tests. It encourages dishonesty at all levels of the system while providing no way to correct or improve the system. (Note that we haven’t even gotten into the whole aspect of unfunded mandates, yet.)

(I am still on vacation, I am in a Mexican cyber-cafe checking my e-mail.)

I like the idea of NCLB (and it’s older British variant), but it leads to some interesting questions. If a school does poorly on standardized testing, do we punish it by removing money or help it by shoveling more to it?

Certainly some poorly-preforming schools deserve more help. Certainly other poorly-performing schools are ratholes down with we need not shovel more resources.

If we do not have a NCLB sort of testing system, how can we make decsions about which educational techniques work best? Testing by itself seems to be mostly useful and mostly neutral. Opposition to testing itself is led by the teachers unions who have a desire to protect their members from accountability.

Without testing we do not have any way to evaluate teachers, educational doctrines and adminstrations. We come down to checking for the most elaborate bulletin boards.

Perhaps the best solution would be to extend rather than to repeal NCLB. If we were to include private and charter schools in the testing scheme we could see which schools truely got the most bounce per ounze. Poorly-performing schools could then emulate those that do better.

It is an interesting policy puzzle.

Sorry Paul, I don’t think the answer is more legislation, more federal expansion into our school systems. I think the answer is exactly the opposite. Less control by the fed, less control by the state, and more funding and control by local communities(kind of a California pre-prop 13 situation). Teaching quality as much better back in “the old days” and students performed better and learned more.

We seem to be heading towards an exact opposite end of the spectrum, and we’re failing miserably.

I also don’t feel that the anti-test crowd is fueled by teachers unions. Hell, I’m not even a parent and I’m troubled by all of this. WHat outcry there is from teachers unions doesn’t seem to be fueled by lack of accountability-just plain old realism.

Sam

Indeed. I don’t see that this has anything to do with making sure teachers are accountable. It’s all about testing, testing, testing, penalizing, and more testing.

There are some links within the site below about this:

http://www.cta.org/CaliforniaEducator/CaliforniaEducator.htm
*Just saw the documentary Super Size Me today; if the info in it is correct, then phys. ed. programs in schools are being obliterated in favor of more test time. More fallout.

viva, I have heard that PE has gone by the wayside in many of my local schools. Some get it for 15 minutes every other day, and that’s not nearly enough time. When I was in high school, not only did I get PE for most of an hour every other day, but I had practice for whatever sport I happened to be in every day.

Sam

Sigh…a pet project of mine, trying (it’s like emptying the ocean with a teaspoon) to educate people on how PE and sports programs are every bit as necessary as the three Rs.

Our college just got our PE program from just an elective, to part of the requirements/fulfillments for some degrees. A good start.

Now if the elementary and HSs ccould get with it.

This is the disgraceful crux, IMO, especially taken the final sentence.
Adding yet another layer of artificial, imposed nonsense atop the already sickening quagmire just worsened the problem. BTW, this is in no way a partian political judgement. I’m sick to puking of “education” presidents and parties, none of which have addressed the problem intelligently or fairly. Intoned pieties and higher bureacratic jumps to clear, unaccompanied by picky shit like funding for actually teaching kids.
75% of my local tax bill goes for schools. 25% is spent on city, county and township fire protection, streets, sanitation, police, water, libraries, parks, snow removal, etc. And compliance with all those gorgeous federal demands.
Three schools in my area are on the NCLB danger list of closing. The parents have shuffled their kids elsewhere within the school system. So the “problem” kids, and teachers fighting the odds–and system–to teach them will go…where? Meet our hideously complicated, administratively top-heavy level or wash out, baby. NCLB is yet another stupid political band aid, though notable for draconian federal demands on local resources. It’s just created another level of bureacrat/specialists to tweak the paperwork. The sound byte hasn’t provided a solution; it’s made the problem worse.

These standardised tests are nothing but PC nonsense, but to know that you have to look at education over the last few generations.

I know I’m talking from a UK perspective, but we are in the process of seriously modifying and indeed throwing out completely certain tests at certain ages, and many of the same arguments were made for and against as the testing program was rolled out.

If you go back far enough, you find that ‘education’ was nothing more than rote learning for the masses, the wealthy of course could afford private tuition and these were the ones who populated our universities and upper realms of public life.

I don’t know if you have any ‘living museums’ over there based upon the daily lives of individuals way back, things like the typical life of a child in the 1930’s - that sort of thing.
What is striking are the kinds of lessons children had to endure, and in some of those living museums you can get to take part as a student.
The curriculum was , to a very large extent, based upon repeating statements of the teacher but with a small change to the wording, so one part of a geography lesson might be,

Teacher ’ Bombay is a major city in India’
Children ‘Bombay is a major city in India’
Teahcer ’ Name me an Indian city’
Children ‘India has a major city called Bombay’

All the children would reply collectively, and toward the end of the lesson the teacher would pick out individuals and ask the same questions.

This actually formed most of the earlier years of education, English, Maths etc were all learned by copying, little or no independant questioning and investigation took place by the children.

It guarunteed a certain minimum level, a standard upon which further education could be built, but since most work was of low skill anyway, little more was required.

Education became far more enquiring over time and much less about rote learning.

Roll on a few years, and we get competition style exams, in these what you did was take some test (in the UK it was called the eleven plus - due to the age of children).
The overall mark was examined and the top say 5% would be sent off to top tier grammar schools, the next 15% went to local grammar school, and all the rest went to secondary school, obviously this makes a huge differance to your future career path.

This system favoured the better off massively and was recognised as being in need of change, but I digress.

At grammar, or secondary school, the student went onwards to what you US might call graduation, though we dont really have such a thing in your sense of the word, students would progress to the main certificated examinations, upon which your whole future could depend.

These too were competition based, so that the top 10% achieved the highest grade, etc and the majority achived the lower passing grades, with a minority of failures which could often be retaken a few months later if the student needed these grades to make it into university.

It was recognised that there were a significant number of students who were just no good at exams but did know the course material, so coursework was eventually added to the overall mark.

In any competition system there has to be winners and losers, and this was seen as being unfair, because it tended to favour the proffessional classes, it was seen to discriminate against poorer backgrounds, such as ethnic minorities.

Competition based systems do have the advantage of promoting excellence, but it was a winner take all system, with those not within the chosen group recieving no reward whatsoever for their efforts.

Its obvious that there really needs to be some form of student streaming as well as some form of minimum educational level, but in the UK we seem to have gone for the minimum educational level through the use of standardised testing.

Take this standardised testing along with the progression form of education - progression through coursework to the end certificate, rather than competition, and you have large numbers of students who are guarunteed to gain qualifications instead of having to shine, its really a system of promoting mediocrity over excellence.

This makes education a homogenised product, everybody is a winner, but the reality is that teachers spend most of their time ensuring that the least talented achieve the minimum standard, and when the whole class qualifies, the gifted students are only slightly differentiated from the journeyman student.

It is strange that for some reason, its right wing governments that seem to want to control education by using standardised testing, Maggie Thatcher was responsible for this in the UK and it was widely seen as a centralisation of power where individual thought and initiative could not be tolerated.

In other public institutions such as say hospitals, police forces etc there was also a form of standardised testing called Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) and again this was brought in by Maggie Thtacher and her government and was again seen as centralising power.
The idea was allegedly to look at what organisations like schools, police forces etc did, and set them targets and measure their performance based upon these targets, and the rewards for meeting such standards was more money or bonuses for the senior management teams.

As alluded in an earlier post by TomnDebb, the targets became the be all and end all , its a form of management accounting.
The trouble is that you cannot describe organisations in terms of KPIs, important aspects of their service will not appear, and may well be unmeasurable, and these functions become the cinderellas of the organisation, it does not matter wether its education, or filling in holes in the road.

When the KPI targets are set, its rather like what happend in communist Russias 5 year plans, common sense goes right out of the window, you must meet the target, and there will always be someone to fabricate things to toady up to their masters, which then puts massive pressure on everyone else.

The system becomes very cynical, participants in the organisation become used to manipulation of figures and the output can actually fall whilst appearing to rise.

I’ll give you an example, though fairly trivial it will illustrate,

I Leeds General Infirmary hopsitals where I worked, there was a KPI set out using budgetary constraints, this translated downwards so that hospital cleaners were assessed in what their exact role was and they too were given KPIs on peformance.
The budgetry KPI actually pushed the hospital into using the performance data for cleaners into a specification for the work to be contracted out, which it was, and the contracter rehired the cleaners at a lower wage rate, and their number was cut.
The cleaners were then told exactly what tasks they had to perform so that the contractor could meet the KPI set by the hospital, and given the reduction in staff, they in fact only just had enough time to carry out the most basic duties.

The result was that hygiene has fallen, and today its a serious issue with MRSA flesh eating germs around, not only that but the morale of patients has descended.

The reasons are easy to see, the job specification could never take into account that cleaners also talked to patients, even just a simple ‘hello’ to a sick person makes all the differance, and often it would be from patients that cleaners would find out about spillages etc, not only that, but having a large pay cut didnt exactly help their cooperation either nor seeing many of their colleagues dismissed.

The cleaning contract has been taken back within hospital employment.

This is similar to what is happening in schools, teachers are asked to concentrate on one aspect of education, as if this is all that education is about, schools are having to use any means they can to make the targets or face penalties, difficult students are pushed aside, gifted ones are left to educate themselves and to increase throughput, class sizes increase.

What you may well find in the US is that this standardisation of education is actually just one facet of the outlook of the government, and this outlook is then applied to other government functions, it comes from an authoritarian state which centralises power, more concerned with its own maintenance than with carrying out its duties and obligations to the citizen.

We had 18 years of this with the Conservative administration, eventually they were booted out of office, several have been imprisoned for corruption, perjury and at present there is no way back for them they are so far down in the polls you need Hubble to spot them.
This is not really a good thing, as they are a weak opposition and the current administration is not tested properly by being called to account for its actions.

This is a somewhat long rambling post, I thank anyone for reading it.

An article in the November issue of Reader’s Digest reminded me of this thread. “A” is for Average (pp. 33-36) is partly about No Child Left Behind and partly about the deemphasization of achievement in public schools. From Nashville schools doing away with the honor roll to schools with 50 “valedictorians” to a school board in New Hampshire which decided to treat all students equally instead of breaking them into groups according to their ability. Then there’s the Illinois school which has started using words like “emerging”, “developing”, “exceed”, and “modify” instead of letter grades. And - get this - “modify” applies to the curriculum, not the student! What the fuck is this shit?

It’s PC bullshit. It’s homogenous crap intended to prevent any kid’s self-esteem from imploding should they happen to see another kid get a better grade, make the honor roll, or come out with a higher GPA.

We never even thought about such things when I was in high school. We had a valedictorian and salutatorian, and we didn’t feel inadequate upon seeing them.