# No Civ4 thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 26, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007 "2005-10-26T15:42:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/61 "2005-10-27T16:51:25Z")
Sorry for the double-post, but another cool thing about the religion aspect is that you can have multiple temples in a city if missionaries from the various faiths have brought that religion to the city. The nuance is nice, but the culture points are nicer. šŸ†’ ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/62 "2005-10-27T17:24:46Z")
> [@Amazon.com](#): > > Thank you for writing to us at [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com). Oh, god. Another one. > [@](#): > > I have investigated your order, and it appears that the estimated shipment and delivery dates listed on your order confirmation e-mail are incorrect. I apologize for any concern these erroneous dates may have caused. Our developers are currently working to correct the technical error that caused these dates to be miscalculated. You caught us. We donā€™t have nearly enough copies of this game left to fulfill all our orders, but if we change the ship date shown to people who havenā€™t yet ordered, our statistics show that they are much more likely to go spend their money elsewhere than people who have already placed their order are. More so, 23% of those who are upset will send us an email about it, allowing us to spout some nonsense about incorrect shipping calculations and slightly speed up their order. > [@](#): > > Rest assured that your order is progressing normally and should be shipped from our fulfillment center within the next 1-2 business days. Or, you know, wheneverā€™s good for us. > [@](#): > > We will send our usual e-mail to confirm when the order has been shipped. We will all spit in your outgoing box. > [@](#): > > Again, I am sorry for any alarm this error may have caused. I hope this information helps put your mind at ease. Thank you again for contacting us at [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com). Customers who bought this email also bought: Bridges. Find one for sale at [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com) today! ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/63 "2005-10-27T17:54:36Z")
> [@CapnPitt](#): > > I couldnā€™t even be bothered to get up to turn off Adam Corollaā€™s awful show. :eek: Erā€¦ maybe this is something I need to avoid, after all. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/64 "2005-10-27T21:04:33Z")
Dare I ask who Adam Corolla is and why heā€™s named after a Toyota? ---
**Author:** ![Shadez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Shadez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shadez)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/65 "2005-10-27T22:23:07Z")
Woo. Called EB, they said my preorder was in. Actually, its for mom. Nice daughter that I am. šŸ˜ƒ /S ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/66 "2005-10-27T22:31:48Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Dare I ask who Adam Corolla is and why heā€™s named after a Toyota? [Adam Corolla](http://www.enlighted.com/media/swk/swk9x200.jpg) (left, with Jimmy Kimmel) is a radio personality, former co-host of The Man Show, and now host of the dreadfully unfunny _Too Late with Adam Corolla_. Which should be properly renamed _Too Late for Adam Corolla_, because this chimpā€™s fifteen minutes expired about a year ago. He is named after a Toyota to remind people that comedians [named after cars](http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/2858-ChevyChase.jpg) simply arenā€™t funny. Sort of a protective coloration, if you will. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/67 "2005-10-27T22:44:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [C]omedians [named after cars](http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/2858-ChevyChase.jpg) simply arenā€™t funny. Sort of a protective coloration, if you will. But that means thatā€¦ But Iā€¦ Butā€¦ Oh. [ā˜¹](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_Corrado) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2005, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/68 "2005-10-27T23:02:48Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Adam Corolla](http://www.enlighted.com/media/swk/swk9x200.jpg) (left, with Jimmy Kimmel) is a radio personality, former co-host of The Man Show Ah. Saw it twice and decided ā€œIā€™m With Stupidā€ would be a better title. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/69 "2005-10-28T01:22:54Z")
Ok. Been playing the last few hours. Is is possible that there are too many tech advances and civics and unit upgrades and units and religions and buildings? Maybe itā€™s just because itā€™s new, but Iā€™m wondering if itā€™s possible that things are a bit watered down. Iā€™ll probably change my mind in a week, but right now, itā€™s a bit overwhelming. ---
**Author:** ![Mbossa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/73ab20/32.png) [@Mbossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mbossa)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/70 "2005-10-28T01:57:58Z")
There was a subtle rule change in Civ 3 that threw me right off, because it screwed up the basis of many of the tactics Iā€™d use in Civ 2 and Alpha Centauri. If you attack and destroy an enemy unit in Civ2 or AC, your attacking unit stays where it originally was. But in Civ3, if the defeated unit was the last unit in the square, the attacking unit automatically moves into the square where the defeated unit was (which is more often than not exactly where I donā€™t want my weakly-armoured offensive unit to be). My question is, does that happen in Civ 4? If so, well, I suppose I could try getting used to new tactics. If not, hurrah! ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/71 "2005-10-28T08:53:51Z")
> [@Mr. Goob](#): > > I started with the original Civilization on floppy discs loaded into my 386 Wang. Then to Civ II, then Call to Power. Civilization: Call to Power is a bastard child not of Sid Meyerā€™s brain. There was a big legal battle resulting in Sid taking the Civilization name with him to Firaxis. Youā€™ll notice that Call to Power II doesnā€™t carry the Civilization name. ---
**Author:** ![Shadez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Shadez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shadez)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/72 "2005-10-28T14:11:00Z")
Apparently my mom has [the ā€œblack terrainā€ problem](http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=133680) which is a display/video issue. Iā€™m not so savvy about such things. ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/73 "2005-10-28T14:19:07Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Ok. Been playing the last few hours. > > Is is possible that there are too many tech advances and civics and unit upgrades and units and religions and buildings? Maybe itā€™s just because itā€™s new, but Iā€™m wondering if itā€™s possible that things are a bit watered down. > > Iā€™ll probably change my mind in a week, but right now, itā€™s a bit overwhelming. No question that there are a lot of advances, etc. and other changes. Figuring out whether switching any one of your five civics areas would screw you or not is time consuming. For now all the new stuff is bogging me down because Iā€™m constantly reading the Civilopedia entries for stuff like, say, Mt. Rushmore. So, I feel your pain. But thatā€™s part of the fun for meā€¦finding out in new and exciting ways how these different advances work. ---
**Author:** ![Taters](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/taters/32/2845_2.png) [@Taters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taters)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/74 "2005-10-28T14:25:17Z")
My husband has been playing the game non-stop since he picked it up. He loves it and keeps raving about how much he loves it. He hasnā€™t had any problems or issues with the game. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/75 "2005-10-28T14:25:25Z")
Iā€™m impressed with the AI so far. Itā€™s a lot more like playing multi player. You have to keep balanced. My old standby of token-defense/play the nice guy/build an Empire in peace just doesnā€™t work. When a player realizes he can take you, he will. Barbarians and wild life are much tougher per difficulty level than earlier civ games too. My only problem is the incomplete refference stuff. Iā€™m not a civlopedia guy, I want a hard copy, but they just didnā€™t give one. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/76 "2005-10-28T14:29:58Z")
> [@Shadez](#): > > Apparently my mom has [the ā€œblack terrainā€ problem](http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=133680) which is a display/video issue. Iā€™m not so savvy about such things. Your Momā€™s graphics card may lack the capabilities required to run the game. I tried an old graphics card and got the same thing. Didnā€™t have T&L. Incidentally, they fixed the big bad bug. ---
**Author:** ![Shadez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Shadez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shadez)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/77 "2005-10-28T14:47:40Z")
be weary if you have intel 8xxxx, youā€™ll get the black terrain/chesire grin problems listed above. Two people have said intel 9 worksā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/78 "2005-10-28T14:49:06Z")
Oh yeah, plus they took all the fun out of figuring out how to cheat. šŸ™‚ They have a World builder where you can just plop down a tank, or put the pyramids up, hehe. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/79 "2005-10-28T15:01:22Z")
Hereā€™s what I got back after I complained about my lack of a copy of the game: > [@](#): > > Thank you for writing to us at [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com). > > I am extremely sorry for any inconvenience caused to you. Sometimes unexpected fluctuations in supply can add time to our original availability estimate. We have learned that ā€œSid Meierā€™s Civilization IV Presell Editionā€ is now back-ordered, and our supplier has not been able to let us know exactly when they expect to have more in stock. > > Iā€™m sorry that you were not notified sooner of this change in availability. > > To help compensate you for this unexpected change, I have upgraded the shipping method for this order to ā€œTwo-Day shippingā€ at no additional charge. The estimated delivery date displayed in Your Account for this shipment is now October 28, 2005. > > Please note that although we are upgrading your method of shipping, this does not lessen the amount of time it will take us to obtain the item; it merely speeds up the time it takes to get it to you once we are able to ship it. > > We will ship the item as soon as we are able to obtain it. You wonā€™t be charged until we ship it to you. On the date of shipment, weā€™ll send you e-mail confirming the date, contents, and method of your shipment. I fraken preordered the game a fraken month in advance! Shouldnā€™t your fancy computerized ordering system know how many fraken preorders you got so you can inform your fraken supplier how many fraken copies you need to ship in a timely fashion? Frak! If the game doesnā€™t ship by the end of the business day, Iā€™m canceling my order and heading to Best Buy. ---
**Author:** ![Shadez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Shadez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shadez)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007/80 "2005-10-28T15:31:38Z")
Sad. > [@TakeTwo](#): > > Dear Sir/Madam > > Thank you for contacting Take 2 Technical Support. > > There is no issues with the Intel graphics card, they are simply not > supported by the game. > Please check the back of the box, which states the graphics card > supported > are : > > nVidia GeForce 2 or higher > ATI Radeon 7500 or higher. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-civ4-thread/328007.md?page=5)