# No exclusionism. Unless it reflects \*our\* bias. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2018, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049 "2018-03-22T23:54:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/101 "2018-03-25T19:54:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Hate to bust your bubble, **Max**. but **Rilchiam** is dead on target, and you aren’t. You guys keep harping on that “grab 'em by the pussy” line as if it had some kind of meaning or value, and you use it to try to justify a totally irrational hatred of Trump. > > Do you hold the same level of hatred for Bill Clinton? I’m curious. We do get that those who only hold hatred and contempt for women would find trumps remarks about his interactions with women to be meaningless and without value. But, for those of us who do wish to see women treated as actual people , and even equal _gasp_ to men in society, those comments are actually pretty off putting. It would seem as though you would at least be bothered by having to defend trump’s open misogyny, but instead, you revel in it. Always do what you are best at, even if your best is the worst. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/102 "2018-03-25T20:15:05Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > non-hets Could we maybe stop using this as a synonym for LGBT? It’s rather jarring having a significant portion of the people under the umbrella actively ignored, even by people arguing our side. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/103 "2018-03-25T20:45:13Z")
Honestly, I haven’t kept up with the extra letters that were tacked on after Q and I didn’t want it to seem I was dismissing their story. ISTM that “not-normal” would have been incredibly insulting and **raventhief** used non-het in the post I quoted so I ran with it. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/104 "2018-03-25T20:54:07Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Honestly, I haven’t kept up with the extra letters that were tacked on after Q and I didn’t want it to seem I was dismissing their story. ISTM that “not-normal” would have been incredibly insulting and **raventhief** used non-het in the post I quoted so I ran with it. Yes, sorry- the OP said that knows “non-hets” but wouldn’t ask them about LGBTQ issues, so i used that usage, then DesertDog used my usage- but I agree, it’s limiting and exclusionary. I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/105 "2018-03-25T20:54:43Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Hate to bust your bubble, **Max**. but **Rilchiam** is dead on target, and you aren’t. You guys keep harping on that “grab 'em by the pussy” line as if it had some kind of meaning or value, and you use it to try to justify a totally irrational hatred of Trump. > > Do you hold the same level of hatred for Bill Clinton? I’m curious. GEBTP isn’t the only reason to hate Trump, but at least you caught on to one reason, which is one better than before. Clinton’s no longer in power, in case you haven’t heard. His mean ol’ wife isn’t around to scare you any more either. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/106 "2018-03-25T21:43:23Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > The OP is perfectly willing to talk to random Trump voters deeply enough to assert that they aren’t bigots, but not willing to talk to non-het people to learn anything about the struggles they are facing under this administration. How many people do you think are “out” in the West Virginia panhandle? Especially compared to how many people are Trump supporters, and who admit to that without being asked. ETA: Before anyone asks, I’m not cool with Trump being a no-show at the DC march. Sure, he might have been booed, but as much as he likes attention… ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/107 "2018-03-25T22:45:20Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Honestly, I haven’t kept up with the extra letters that were tacked on after Q and I didn’t want it to seem I was dismissing their story. ISTM that “not-normal” would have been incredibly insulting and **raventhief** used non-het in the post I quoted so I ran with it. Just use “queer”, it’s the catchall now. Not even LGBT+ people can keep up with the acronym anymore. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/108 "2018-03-25T23:26:23Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > How many people do you think are “out” in the West Virginia panhandle? Especially compared to how many people are Trump supporters, and who admit to that without being asked. > > ETA: Before anyone asks, I’m not cool with Trump being a no-show at the DC march. Sure, he might have been booed, but as much as he likes attention… So read the news. Make yourself informed if you recognize that you’re not. Then imagine how you’d feel if the things you read about would happen to you, and you’d have a pretty good approximation of how gay or trans people feel. In this day and age you don’t have to live next door to someone to begin to understand their world. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/109 "2018-03-25T23:28:38Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > **How many people do you think are “out” in the West Virginia panhandle?** Especially compared to how many people are Trump supporters, and who admit to that without being asked. > > ETA: Before anyone asks, I’m not cool with Trump being a no-show at the DC march. Sure, he might have been booed, but as much as he likes attention… Bolding mine. That fact right there might tell you there’s a problem. An overwhelming number of Trump supporters, and gay people don’t feel it safe to come out of the closet. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/110 "2018-03-26T01:56:10Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Hate to bust your bubble, **Max**. but **Rilchiam** is dead on target, and you aren’t. You guys keep harping on that “grab 'em by the pussy” line as if it had some kind of meaning or value, and you use it to try to justify a totally irrational hatred of Trump. > > Do you hold the same level of hatred for Bill Clinton? I’m curious. Wow, did you even read or think about anything I wrote? It’s like you saw me responding to Rilchiam, and just thought to yourself “oh, I know what he must be saying”, and then responded to that. Really quite remarkable. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/111 "2018-03-26T03:16:36Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > How many people do you think are “out” in the West Virginia panhandle? Especially compared to how many people are Trump supporters, and who admit to that without being asked. > > ETA: Before anyone asks, I’m not cool with Trump being a no-show at the DC march. Sure, he might have been booed, but as much as he likes attention… I can see the eastern panhandle from my house (not literally, but it’s like… Right there.) And there are a LOT of Trump supporters there. Also some LGBTQ people, that you said you know but won’t talk to them about this adminstration. But the vile bigots of any political stripe, believe it or not, don’t come out and say they’re vile bigots. That family member I mentioned earlier? Up until I expressed support for trans individuals, she freaking adored me. Sweet as pie. Then she decided I was nothing to her and I was complete trash. For not hating on trans children. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2018, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-exclusionism-unless-it-reflects-our-bias/811049/112 "2018-03-26T06:30:30Z")
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