No Frozen thread? OPEN SPOILERS

Elsa is a Deuteragonist, not an Antagonist.

The protagonist of the film is Anna, Elsa’s sister. However, enough of the story focuses on what happened to Elsa to make her fear her own powers so much, and it showcases all of the events which led to her exile and treatment as a monster from a perspective which paints her as a victim of her own powers. At no point does she ever *intend *to conflict with or bring about the downfall of the protagonist, and does whatever she can to avoid bringing harm to her.

Were it not for the story’s focus on her sister Anna, Elsa would be the protagonist of the story. The antagonist or antagonists are those who consider her a monster and want to kill her or lock her away.

It was also not her decision to be isolated from her sister and the world in the first place, that was decided well before she reached adolescence by her parents.

All of Elsa’s actions are either in preservation of others (sacrifice or love), or in preservation of herself (defense), and those actions are chosen because Elsa is faced with antagonists of her own; her own powers which she cannot fully control, or others trying to harm her.

My critique of the film:

I am a long time fan of Disney stories.

My absolute favorite growing up was The Little Mermaid. To this day, I can remember almost all of the dialogue and can do all of the male voices and a fairly convincing Ursula. I believe the Little Mermaid is the single greatest Disney movie, and one of my favorite films of all time.

I didn’t think anything else would even come close to the love I have for that film.

Having watched Frozen several times, I have become enamored with the film in much the same way that I did for TLM. Both Elsa and Anna are spectacular characters, and the animation which brought them to life visually as well as the voice acting in particular for both characters, are unparalleled.

This film has come the closest out of all other films in toppling Ariel from the throne of my childhood. In particular, the vivid and vibrant characters of Elsa and Anna make the story for me. The story itself is not a tale that I have heard over and over again in other movies, especially the denoument, which involved a highly un-Disney approach to the concept of love conquering all, which is basically a Disney trademark in and of itself.

The impressive and grown-up approach to love at first sight not being completely true and permanent caught my attention right away, that not everyone in the story viewed youthful love and a rush to immediate matrimony as a good thing was surprising to say the least, as one of the most unrealistic things about Disney love stories is the fact that any Disney love story is typically one of love at first sight that is perfect and unshakeable. Then when Anna’s first love interest is revealed to be hollow and untrue, it shattered the traditional Disney mold of the girl falling for the perfect man on the first try, or that hearts which love are never rejected by those they loved. I can’t recall a whole lot of Disney movies which led to this kind of conclusion.

Moreover, it seemed as though the story was leading inexorably to Kristoff being the “true love” and once again, the man riding in to save the woman’s life.

One thing I loved about The Little Mermaid is that the onus was on Ariel to save the man’s life (more than once) and that it was her quest to free herself and get her true love, rather than the man falling for her first and going on a quest to win her heart. Although Eric performs heroically on his own and indeed, ends up saving Ariel in the end, it was much more mutual. Ariel truly was the protagonist, and a strong, independent woman, with an adventurous spirit and intense curiosity about the world, not some cookiecutter damsel waiting for a man to whisk her away.

Frozen brought me that kind of female protagonist once again with Anna. This story is about her quest for love, and for her love to be returned, by someone she has been missing dearly for most of her life. It is a story about how far she is willing to go for love, and how fierce her loyalty to that love is, even in defiance of society, and friends who do not fully understand that loyalty, and even when she had been hurt unintentionally by this person, she refused to stop loving her, and never once stopped being loyal to her, all the way to the end.

And the story clearly establishes WHERE this love come from, which was a bond formed in her childhood with someone whom she confided in, and spent her time with, someone she admired, and who brought her years of delight and joy. The ending was not at all a hackneyed plot twist, because throughout the entirety of the story, Anna’s love and loyalty for Elsa is very clearly, profoundly, and convincingly established.

At the end, her decision to go to Elsa, above preserving herself and running toward Kristoff, was not a choice that felt tacked on for a false “heartwarming moment”, if you can excuse the unintended pun. It was the only way the story could have ended, in a way that made any sort of sense, to conclude the premise of the film which had at the very beginning established that the story was about the great lengths both sisters would go, what sacrifices they would make, what consequences they would endure, for one another.

In much the same way you could truly *feel *the weight of unimaginable loss in the sad eyes of Rapunzel’s father in Tangled, so many years after his daughter’s disappearance; with every expression, every uttered word, every action taken, every decision made, as the story unfolds the viewer is absolutely convinced of the strength and conviction of Anna’s adoration for her sister Elsa, and through the heart-wrenching isolation of Elsa and her pain at ever having caused harm to her beloved sister, and the lengths she goes to avoid ever causing harm to Anna again, it is quite clear that Elsa’s heart is just as dedicated to her love for Anna.

Some of the other characters were not as potent or memorable; I felt it was clever to have the snowman that the two sisters built together as children come to life, as a concept, but I did not have as much love for that character and I felt it was distracting to the overall plot. I felt the Weaselton character was one-dimensional, obvious, uninteresting, and ineffective as a villain. I felt that Hans was only marginally effective as a villain and under-developed, although the purpose he served in the story was important. That could have been done better.

I think the trolls could have been more effective if they had been more mysterious and serious, and less “cartoony”. The gravity of the situations where they are featured are undermined by the way they are depicted. However, that might just be my personal taste.

The only weak point of Frozen are these supporting characters.

Because The Little Mermaid’s supporting characters were richer and more memorable, my childhood favorite continues to carry the throne, in my mind.

But only by this slim margin. In many ways, Frozen outdoes The Little Mermaid, and the kind of love featured in this film felt 100% more genuine. Visually stunning, powerful, and full of heart, I rate Frozen as an irreplaceable and fantastic, thoroughly satisfying masterpiece.

Askthepizza guy’s analysis is spot on, and Jragon is way off base.

More often than not, I hate the Disney “comic relief companion” character, but Josh Gad’s performance won me over. I am thumbs up on Olaf. I even hate Dopey, for heaven’s sake, so the fact that I enjoy Olaf surprises me every time I realize it.

I feel like the story on the screen was a little thin, but I love the story as it gets filled in in my head. In my personal narrative, I have tons of sympathy for Elsa. She didn’t ask for her powers, received absolutely no guidance or training or even sympathy from anyone, and spent her entire childhood as a prisoner. I’m glad the parents are out of the movie quickly, because honestly my big question about this film is “WTF were they thinking?” I don’t see “Let It Go” as a villain song, I do think it’s very affirming in its description of not hiding your true self, and I think that’s why it resonates with people (in addition to Idina Menzel’s force of personality), and especially with girls and women. At this point in the movie, she doesn’t realize she plunged the entire kingdom is in endless winter, and if she wants to go hang out by herself in her awesome magic ice castle, I can’t fault her for that.

I brought my three year old to see it at a “sing along” screening for kids - they were encourage to go sit on the floor in the front and there was one little girl who was killing me with her adorableness. She was one of those kids in an awkward phase, big glasses and a retainer and overall goofily geeky, and was front and center, transfixed by the songs and she belted out “Let It Go” with the earnestness unique to nine year old dweeby girls.

My daughter is in love with this movie and soundtrack.
I have to laugh at the song “Fixer Upper” because of this:

“So he’s a bit of a fixer upper
So he’s got a few flaws
His peculiar brain, dear, his thing for the reindeer
That’s outside a few of nature’s laws”

:dubious::eek:
What exactly is his thing for Sven??
:wink:

He grew up with the reindeer as pretty much his only companion and friend, uses the reindeer to transport himself and all his worldly possessions, and since he seems to be entirely unaware of germs, has no problem eating carrots which have been inside his reindeer’s mouth. Plus he’s a woodsman / mountain man who lives in snowy conditions, so he probably doesn’t bathe much and smells a lot like his reindeer pal, which makes people not want to be near him. So, he sticks even closer to his best buddy.

Anyone who is alone for that long is bound to talk to their animal, and be nutty enough to pretend the animal talks back.

I don’t think he’s off-base at all, and it really surprises me to see that his perspective is ruffling any feathers. It’s an Overcoming the Monster story that takes place entirely within Elsa. She makes herself the antagonist for super-good reasons, but she makes herself the antagonist. She froze the entire kingdom and killed Anna! By shooting her in the heart! And then Anna performs a miracle at the end and saves them both.

The central conflict in the plot has Anna on one side, Elsa’s magic on the other, and Elsa in the middle. When Elsa “lets it go,” she’s on the side of her magic - the side opposing Anna. Elsa’s not a bad guy and obviously the movie isn’t telling you to dislike her, but I don’t see any way around seeing her as the antagonist for plot purposes.

It seems to me that looking at it as essentially a Frankenstein story - the anonymous horde and the cartoon villain are the bad guys, and they’re responsible for what’s wrong - would make this a very difficult story to appreciate. Obviously I’m not right about that but almost everything I took from the movie - everything non-visual, at any rate - came directly from the tension between Elsa and Anna.

I’m not sure you understood my snicker at all. :slight_smile:
I get very well what they were meaning, but the line, “outside of nature’s laws” seems a poor word choice. Yes, obviously Disney isn’t referring to a more amorous connection, but this line is funny in a wink wink nudge nudge way.

The film seems to have a bit more innuendos than your typical Disney film. Nothing overtly vulgar, but just enough that an adult can fill in the blanks.

Examples:

“Do you even know his foot size?” “Foot size doesn’t matter!”

“Arendelle’s in deep, deep, deep, deep… snow.”

I get the double-meaning of the word choices, and I rather enjoy them. IRL I am constantly perverting everything everyone says.

Sometimes a carrot passed between man and reindeer is just a carrot, though. :smiley:

Sure a carrot is just a carrot. The question is, where is that carrot being passed? :slight_smile:

This movie is on daily rotation here… And my daughter’s determined to learn the songs on the piano. God help me, these innuendos are the only thing keeping me sane.

I can think of only two places, and only one that makes it even a little ambiguous as to what’s going on between them.

:stuck_out_tongue:

According to Rotten Tomatoes, Frozen is currently both the #9 movie at the box office, and the #4 rental. That’s pretty impressive, and very unusual these days. Anyone know the last time a movie was released on DVD while it was still top ten att the box office?

Frozen Sets Home Video Sales Record

My daughter showed me this trailer the other day. I laughed my ass off.

Especially at the notion that Pocahontas was a good musical.

I saw it free at the local library yesterday. In case you don’t know, the songs were co-written by Robert Lopez, who wrote the scores for Avenue Q & Book of Mormon. His Oscar for this one made him the 12th member of the EGOT club–He now has an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar & Tony. At 34 he is the youngest member of the club, and he did it in the shortest amount of time–10 years.

I loved the picture. Absolutely loved it, and hope it comes to Broadway.

There were a lot of children at the screening. Let It Go turned into a mass sing along–the kids knew every lyrics.

My kid is now Frozen-obsessed. God help us all! :eek:

Actually, I kinda liked it. Particularly the power-ballad “Let it go” animation sequence. I agree it is kinda a mixed message - she’s “empowering” herself by accepting complete isolation.

Am I the only person who thought that the villian Hans sorta had a point? He’s the only one shown in the movie actually giving a shit about the local inhabitants (in one scene, he’s handing out blankets and stuff, despite the Duke of Weasleton’s opposition to such “waste”). I can picture Hans saying to Anna: “you know, I may be a usurping bastard, but you and your sister have screwed up this whole kingdom between the two of you - I mean, we are talking a freaking eternal winter here. Killing you two worthless aristos and taking over is a good deed.” :smiley:

“What good is a ballroom without any balls?”

If someone told me their, quote, engagement was a flex arrangement, I’d assume they were swingers.

Ditto :wink:

I viewed it more as the sheer relief at not having to hide her powers anymore. “Well now they know” - and she can let rip. Like a well earned fart after a curry - the relief is the main thing, the needing an empty room to let it out is secondary :wink:

Nope. I still want to believe he was good at heart, and just corrupted by his taste of power. Despite the evidence to the contrary where he admits he went there to seduce one of them :frowning: