Wrong cite. The original misquote came from Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
Father-son is alternating. Brother-brother is coincidal. Balance of the force requires good and evil, not just an all-good happy ending.
He didn’t know but just in case, he can manipulate the situation so that he (and C3PO) can get sold to where he wants. If Owen had picked R2 first, R5 would have been spared.
How did Luke deflect those shots with the blast shield down, then? (Why would a helmet visor need an opaque blast shield?) Or the Jedi mind trick? Or Vader sensing Obiwan? I think the definitive force is when Luke picks things up with the force in Dagobah.
Someone once noted that Vader’s sad devotion to that ancient religion hadn’t yet conjured up stuff or granted him clairvoyance.
[Samuel L. Jackson]
“Well, allow me to retort!”
[/Samuel L. Jackson]
:smack: yup. that bit was pretty convincing as well, unless it was:
it’s the robot chicken parody of the force choke
I had read Little Men before I saw the movie (in the theater, which shows my age), and had learned from that that “vater” was the German word for “father”. So thinking about DV afterward, I realized that “Darth Vader” meant, or at least was meant to suggest, “dark father”.
I was 10, and I was blown away. Totally believed it, never thought otherwise.
Looking back now, it was the perfect twist in the classic “good vs evil” storyline. Luke’s our good guy, Vader’s our bad guy, and to find out they are father and son just further complicates the battle. How can I kill my own father??
This also explains how Dennis Haysbert is able to sell Allstate’s shitty insurance.
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I was cough21cough when TESB was in theaters. Most of us didn’t believe it. Old Ben had said Luke’s father was dead, and we’d believe him long before we trusted Vader.
My favorite theory at the time — remembering that Leia had said to Obi-Wan, “You served with my father in the Clone Wars” — was that DV was a clone of Luke’s father. Several of us stuck with that right up until some point in the middle of RotJ.
Nitpick she said “you served my father” and she was talking about Bail Organa(Jimmy Smitts in the PT) not Anakin.
I think Admiral Ozzel would disagree with you.
Was it David Gerrold? I remember him suggesting this in his column in Starlog.
I also remember thinking, “Yeah, that makes sense.”
My friends and I also thought that R2 was the “other hope” Yoda mentioned, only because R2 was with Luke when he was trained, so R2 picked up on the training.
I also remember not believing it until Yoda confirmed it in ROTJ.
Vader strangles Ozzel in “The Empire Strikes Back.”
The name of the guy Vader strangles in “Star Wars” isn’t said on screen. But that’s pretty much solid proof the Force is something way past self confidence. Obi-Wan’s “Jedi mind trick” seems to go well beyond self confidence, too.
I saw it when way past 30, and I bought it. When Vader told Luke that he knew it was true Luke didn’t deny it, and they had way too much of a bond then to let Vader fool him.
BTW, Leia being Luke’s sister wasn’t that much of a surprise to me. It explained why the hero was not getting the girl, as was traditional. Plus, in a biography of Lucas published a bit after Star Wars came out it was mentioned that Lucas’ very early stories involved rescuing the hero’s sister - which is what Luke does.
Note that Obi-Wan said that DV had killed Luke’s father during the Clone Wars. Apparently it was during that era that a lot of the Jedis were killed off.
So what I thought at the time:
Back when, the Jedi’s were dying out. Someone had the clever idea to clone them. The clones turned out to be evil (how original!), they went to war against the originals.
Darth Vader was Luke’s father’s clone and killed him.
So DV was sort of playing a mind game on Luke: He was in some sense Luke’s father, but not really. Enough so that Luke sensed it might be true.
Set up all sorts of interesting possibilities for [del]Revenge[/del] Return. E.g., Luke and DV going against the Emperor. The Emperor turning out to be the clone of Obi-Wan. Etc. But they blew it. Which made Clone Wars a completely uninteresting tale.
And they made Obi-Wan a liar, too.
(But at least my realization that Leia was the “other” was right.)
The fanwank I liked (and I believe I read it on the SDMB many years ago) was that the Dark Side was the imbalance, and that Vader’s rejection of the Dark Side and killing of the Emperor put an end to it, thus restoring balance.
To the best of my recollection, the canon itself never uses the term “Light Side of the Force”. The term “light side” was coined by the fan base who assumed that the 'sides" of the Force represented a good/evil duality. But in reality, in the official canon, there is only “The Force” and “The Dark Side of the Force”. “The Force” is a unified whole, and the “Dark Side” is an impurity that unbalances it.
So, let me get this straight, you can buy everything else in this futuristic set of movies about intergalactic enemies and death stars and furry teddy bears with weapons, but you couldn’t buy that the guy in the black suit with respiratory issues was the father of the guy with the telekinetic super powers. I see.
Oddly, I think I bought it because Darth Vader didn’t seem like the lying type…he was a very specific kind of zealot.
“Because, Luke, I am your mother.”