# No Man's Sky - First star to the right, and straight on till morning
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701
**Category:** The Game Room
**Tags:** video-games-e-games
**Created:** [July 12, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701 "2016-07-12T01:16:17Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 21
### Author:  [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/401 "2016-08-30T22:40:43Z")
> [@Raza](#):
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> I have played Fallout 4 for 100 hours and I’ve probably experienced less than half of what is out there. And when I have, there is incredible mod support for all kinds of new experiences.
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> NMS has none - absolutely none - of the depth of FO4, but they’re the same price, and probably came with similar hype. I’ve paid $60 for a game that has perhaps 20 hours of gameplay life, if that.
I’ve got FO4, played it for a few hours, didn’t like it much. I’ve played NMS sky more.
From an hours of gameplay perspective NMS wins.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/402 "2016-08-30T22:45:30Z")
So, when a developer says “You’re going to be able to…”, all that really means is “hey, wouldn’t it be cool if you could…”?
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### Author:  [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/403 "2016-08-30T22:51:01Z")
> [@Chronos](#):
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> So, when a developer says “You’re going to be able to…”, all that really means is “hey, wouldn’t it be cool if you could…”?
That is very often what I understand them to mean.
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### Author:  [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)
#### Post date: [August 30, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/404 "2016-08-30T22:55:26Z")
Well I’m not a monster. I have empathy. If anyone here spent $60 and had a miserable experience, I’m sorry. I hope you got your money back.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/405 "2016-08-31T03:05:55Z")
In that case, buy my game! It’s going to have ten trillion planets, each of them carefully hand-crafted by professional artists, and all populated with creatures developed by running a molecular-level evolution simulation for four billion years. It’ll all be in 150,000 by 100,000 pixel full-3D VR that can run on an ordinary monitor without needing goggles, and will contain plans to build your own actual FTL starship for $15.73 worth of materials. And hey, even if it doesn’t contain any of that, well, it’s not like I ever told you that it would, but it would be really cool if it did, right?
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### Author:  [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/406 "2016-08-31T03:57:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#):
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> In that case, buy my game!
Sure if you spend money on pre-rendered videos made using Maya / 3D Studio Max, claim they are rendered in game, and convince a publishing company to promote you at E3-CES you’ll get plenty of people lining up to buy your game. If you don’t deliver then yeah you’ll piss off a lot of people, but you still might make money.
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### Author:  [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/407 "2016-08-31T04:40:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#):
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> In that case, buy my game! It’s going to have ten trillion planets, each of them carefully hand-crafted by professional artists, and all populated with creatures developed by running a molecular-level evolution simulation for four billion years. It’ll all be in 150,000 by 100,000 pixel full-3D VR that can run on an ordinary monitor without needing goggles, and will contain plans to build your own actual FTL starship for $15.73 worth of materials. And hey, even if it doesn’t contain any of that, well, it’s not like I ever told you that it would, but it would be really cool if it did, right?
I am defeated.
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### Author:  [@Arrogance\_Ex\_Machina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogance_Ex_Machina)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/408 "2016-08-31T04:56:38Z")
> [@coremelt](#):
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> Sure if you spend money on pre-rendered videos made using Maya / 3D Studio Max, claim they are rendered in game, and convince a publishing company to promote you at E3-CES you’ll get plenty of people lining up to buy your game. If you don’t deliver then yeah you’ll piss off a lot of people, but you still might make money.
Remember to add a 121 minute unskippable cutscene at the start of the “game” to defeat Steam’s refund policy.
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### Author:  [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/409 "2016-08-31T13:05:18Z")
> [@Frylock](#):
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> My point in my first reply to you was that it is fairly clear that _your_ post contained inaccuracies about the game. I’m not talking about personal preferences, I’m talking about whether people even actually understand what the game was supposed to be like according to official marketing and what it’s actually like. The two are not nearly so different as many (such as yourself) seem to think. And where they do differ, judgments that people “lied” etc are not supported. NOthing at all about personal preferences is relevant to any of this–I didn’t bring that up.
You failed to actually demonstrate that my post contained inaccuracies about the game. In some cases you tried to argue with subjective terms, but disagreeing about whether something is enjoyable or not doesn’t constitute an inaccuracy about the game. The problem here is not whether ‘people’ understood what the game is supposed to be like, the problem is (as you said explicitly to SenorBeef) that you have decided that most of what the developers said would be in the game and showed in gameplay trailers just doesn’t count. The idea that people would expect features discussed in interviews to be in the game to be in the game is foreign to you, apparently you think features only count as being promised if the developers use some specific phrasing like ‘this will really, really actually be in the game for sure we promise for sure, pinky swear’, but that’s not how the rest of us operate.
> [@](#):
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> I read each word, and what you interpreted as “pedantry” was in fact the very evidence that I was listening–I went through each point you made (and your sentences, being complex, made more than one point each, hence the breaking-up–it’s a standard mode of discussion on the internet and at the SDMB specifically) and responded to it substantively.
It’s not a standard mode of discussion on the internet and at the SDMB specifically, it’s a thing some people do when they want to be absurdly pedantic and win an argument by making it too cumbersome to reply. The vast majority of posts on this board do not break a simple sentence into two-word fragments and argue with two words at a time.
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/410 "2016-08-31T13:29:40Z")
Pissing contests over wording in posts about whether a feature was promised or just sort-of promised seem to be skipping over the objective fact that an unprecedented number of buyers are demanding refunds. I cannot think of any video game launch in recent history where so many gamers are demanding their money back. Even “Spore” wasn’t this bad.
Now, we all have a right to our own opinions but the fact is that there is way more opinion along the lines of “This game is a scam to such a degree that I will go to the trouble of getting my money back” than is normally the case with video games. So one of two things is going on here:
1. People who play video games suddenly became insanely irrational and picky the day “No Man’s Sky” was released, or
2. There is, in fact, something wrong with the game.
I find Option 2 a lot more likely.
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### Author:  [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/411 "2016-08-31T14:23:41Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#):
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> That’s why I don’t understand the preorder mentality. If a game is good, great, you can still get it after reading some reviews and not lose anything, but if a game is bad then you’re playing into their exact gambit of trying to make you buy their product before you can find out its bad. Why anyone volunteers to buy into that gambit I honesty have no idea. It’s not like you have to wait long - you waited months or years for the game, but you can’t wait a few hours to see if the game is a disappointment before committing your money to it?
Yeah, it’s not like they are going to run out of digital downloads.
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### Author:  [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/412 "2016-08-31T14:36:04Z")
> [@Pantastic](#):
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> It’s not a standard mode of discussion on the internet and at the SDMB specifically, it’s a thing some people do when they want to be absurdly pedantic and win an argument by making it too cumbersome to reply. The vast majority of posts on this board do not break a simple sentence into two-word fragments and argue with two words at a time.
Here is your sentence:
> [@](#):
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> There were supposed to be interesting animals interacting on different worlds, instead you get color-shifted creatures whose physiques don’t make sense sparsely distributed on their color-shifted planets.
That sentence contains four separate claims. I responded to each of those four claims in a separate paragraph. To indicate which claim each paragraph was responding to, I quoted the relevant portion of your sentence.
Again, this is SOP.
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### Author:  [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/413 "2016-08-31T14:36:53Z")
Other than Minecraft, I kind of feel like the quest to make the “ultimate open world sandbox survival PvP build shit procedurally generate universe simulator” has produced mixed results at best.
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### Author:  [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/414 "2016-08-31T14:50:37Z")
> [@Pantastic](#):
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> disagreeing about whether something is enjoyable or not
BTW earlier when you said I wasn’t listening, that was projection on your part. This now makes the second post where it is clear that, though you probably physically read the words I wrote, you weren’t actually reading them. The above has zero to do with anything relevant to anything I’ve said to you in this thread. Same goes for much else that you wrote.
Enjoy the rest of your day!
I SAID GOOD DAY
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### Author:  [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/415 "2016-08-31T15:11:54Z")
> [@Frylock](#):
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> Here is your sentence:
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> That sentence contains four separate claims. I responded to each of those four claims in a separate paragraph. To indicate which claim each paragraph was responding to, I quoted the relevant portion of your sentence.
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> Again, this is SOP.
Six claims actually–I didn’t even break it down as much as I could sensibly have done.
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### Author:  [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/416 "2016-08-31T15:59:29Z")
> [@RickJay](#):
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> PSo one of two things is going on here:
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> 1. People who play video games suddenly became insanely irrational and picky the day “No Man’s Sky” was released, or
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> 2. There is, in fact, something wrong with the game.
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> I find Option 2 a lot more likely.
Or 3 – most likely of all – the over-reaction of a few early players on social media took on a life of its own and produced a bandwagon effect really having nothing to do with the quality or lack of same of the game. Many of these “list of 30 biggest lies in NMS” articles appeared within hours of the game’s release, before folks could even have played it long enough to realize that 20 of them were about things that were actually in the game.
My feeds are currently full of “OMG NMS Sucks!” and “it’s not enough that I don’t like this game, no one else can like it either!” articles. What’s most telling is the comments sections, which are full of “what the heck are you talking about, I’m loving this game?” folks. These are being slammed (sort of like here) with the sort of passionate white-hot hatred usually reserved for Obama and toilet-paper-roll-direction discussions. I can find little evidence that this is about the game at all any more, it’s become religion.
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### Author:  [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/417 "2016-08-31T17:25:11Z")
> [@TimeWinder](#):
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> Or 3 – most likely of all – the over-reaction of a few early players on social media took on a life of its own and produced a bandwagon effect really having nothing to do with the quality or lack of same of the game.
That’s just a snarkier version of **RickJay** ’s No. 1. No. 2 is still the overwhelming consensus.
> [@](#):
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> Many of these “list of 30 biggest lies in NMS” articles appeared within hours of the game’s release, before folks could even have played it long enough to realize that 20 of them were about things that were actually in the game.
Care to share?
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### Author:  [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/418 "2016-08-31T18:33:02Z")
> [@Frylock](#):
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> BTW earlier when you said I wasn’t listening, that was projection on your part. This now makes the second post where it is clear that, though you probably physically read the words I wrote, you weren’t actually reading them. The above has zero to do with anything relevant to anything I’ve said to you in this thread. Same goes for much else that you wrote.
No, it’s perfectly clear that you weren’t actually listening to what I said, I wasn’t projecting anything, merely observing your response. And it’s also becoming clear that you don’t have some weird difficulty parsing ordinary English, since you used the same idiom above with your ‘weren’t actually reading them’ comment - so you know that ‘isn’t even listening’ doesn’t have only the barest literal meaning. It’s pretty clear that you’re trying to ‘win’ the conversation with some kind of word game combined with bold declarations that you didn’t say stuff that’s clearly said on the previous page.
> [@Frylock](#):
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> Again, this is SOP.
If it’s really SOP, point to a few examples of someone other than you breaking down a single sentence into at least four quotes, some as short as two words and writing replies to each part of the sentence individually instead of to the whole sentence, and the other person responding to that and continuing the conversation somewhere in the eight pages of this discussion.
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### Author:  [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/419 "2016-08-31T19:12:43Z")
> [@Pantastic](#):
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> - so you know that ‘isn’t even listening’ doesn’t have only the barest literal meaning. bold declarations that you didn’t say stuff that’s clearly said on the previous page.
I seriously, honest to god, no lie, genuinely and actually do not know what you are referring to here.
I have not, on this page or the previous page, even once referred to the issue of whether the game is enjoyable. Nowhere do I find that I’ve done so as I review the pages, and in no way do I recall doing so, and I cannot make sense of the idea that I’ve done so given what my point has been.
This is not me trying to win a conversation (nor has it been, throughout our conversation), this is me explaining to you where I’m coming from. You’re saying I said things, which so far as I can tell, I have not said, not even in paraphrasistically.
So… can you tell me, please? What am I missing here?
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### Author:  [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)
#### Post date: [August 31, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-mans-sky-first-star-to-the-right-and-straight-on-till-morning/759701/420 "2016-08-31T20:25:28Z")
Meh, I pre-ordered Spore, I’ve learned my lesson about handing money over to advance hype.
I bought NMS after reading all of the various rants and reviews, as an _informed_ purchase. I’m about 20 hours in, have got my money’s worth by this point, and will soon be on to the next game. At this point, I’ve played it more and enjoyed it more than Diablo 3 or Borderlands Prequel, which I also bought at full price.
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