# No means no. Fifteen year old slain. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 2, 2005, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446 "2005-04-02T21:14:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/1 "2005-04-02T21:14:35Z")
[http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/02/killed.for.kiss.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/02/killed.for.kiss.ap/index.html) Good lord. I’m without words. However… > [@](#): > > “It doesn’t make any sense,” said the victim’s mother, also named Elisa Hernandez, 32. “I think there’s more to it than this. My feelings tell me that.” Ya think? > [@](#): > > "Diagnosed as schizophrenic at age 10, Bishop had recently split with his girlfriend of six years and quit taking his medication because it made him sleepy and sluggish, according to his mother, Lisa Bishop, 40. > > He had been drinking and smoking marijuana earlier that night, said Lisa Bishop, who talked to her son by telephone after the killing." :rolleyes: Impared judgement just -may- have been a factor. Stories like this just make me mad… Had to vent. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/2 "2005-04-02T21:21:52Z")
I don’t think that even being drunk/stoned is enough to turn a person into a murderer… evidently he’d threatened her life before, at least according to other folks. I was going to post this story, but there’s not much to say, I don’t think… just a goddessdamned shame. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/3 "2005-04-02T21:28:14Z")
It’s stories like this that make me ashamed that lynch mobs have, for all intents and purposes, gone the way of the dodo. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/4 "2005-04-02T21:47:30Z")
Let this be a heads up ladies! I kid, I kid! I hope New Jersey has the death penalty, and that they use the last injection as the first. Sick fucker. ---
**Author:** ![Br\_er\_Lapin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Br\_er\_Lapin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Br_er_Lapin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/5 "2005-04-02T22:00:04Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > I kid, I kid! I hope New Jersey has the death penalty, and that they use the last injection as the first. Sick fucker. Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Br\_er\_Lapin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Br\_er\_Lapin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Br_er_Lapin)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/6 "2005-04-02T22:03:07Z")
> [@Bre'r Lappin](#): > > Nope. I geuss jumped the gun a little there. Apparently we do have it, but it’s never been put to use. [sub]…carry on…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/7 "2005-04-02T22:06:36Z")
It’s this part I don’t get: > [@](#): > > “That was not any accident, because two days before he killed my daughter, he was in my house drinking with me,” said Luis Santiago, 34, the victim’s father. "And I told him, `Yo, stop playing with a gun like that. You’re a young kid. I’ve been in jail too much time. You will find yourself in jail for life.’ The 15 year-old girl’s father was knocking back a few with her 21 year-old boyfriend and saying “Yo, stop playing with a gun like that.” ? I sense June 19th will be a tense day in that household. ---
**Author:** ![zetafunction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/57b2e6/32.png) [@zetafunction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zetafunction)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/8 "2005-04-02T22:13:18Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > It’s stories like this that make me ashamed that lynch mobs have, for all intents and purposes, gone the way of the dodo. Yeah. Good times. :rolleyes: [http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g\_l/lynching/lynch\_02.jpg](http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g_l/lynching/lynch_02.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/9 "2005-04-02T22:50:21Z")
> [@zetafunction](#): > > Yeah. Good times. :rolleyes: > > [http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g\_l/lynching/lynch\_02.jpg](http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g_l/lynching/lynch_02.jpg) **Superdude** said for stories like THIS. Seems this asshole would be lucky to get lynched. At least he would get the chance to see his life flash before his eyes. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2005, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/10 "2005-04-02T23:56:57Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > It’s this part I don’t get: > > The 15 year-old girl’s father was knocking back a few with her 21 year-old boyfriend and saying “Yo, stop playing with a gun like that.” ? Something tells me that the entire cast of characters comes from less than stellar support networks. a 21 y/o dating a 15 y/o? Uh- NO and NO and NO. BIG red flag. a 21 y/o with a hx of schizophrenia etc, dating a 15 y/o? HUGE NO. I have a 15 y/o daughter. I do not hope this guy fries or dies etc. I hope he gets put away for life and get the treatment he needs (unlikely in prison–alot of mentall illness in prison). Sad story all around. ---
**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/11 "2005-04-03T00:40:13Z")
You folks are right. Let’s house this guy for the remainder of time and proclaim that justice has been served. Yup. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/12 "2005-04-03T00:58:11Z")
Justice is served by putting him to death? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/13 "2005-04-03T01:32:03Z")
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that the diagnosed mental illness _may_ have been a contributing factor. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/14 "2005-04-03T02:43:27Z")
**danceswithcats** , **eleanorigby** : Holy False Dilemma, Batman! I’m a supporter of the death penalty in general, but I don’t think it’s appropriate for all cases. Especially if the person has a history of mental illness. I hope this person gets treated if his illness caused him to kill. Otherwise, there’s nothing left but the death penalty. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/15 "2005-04-03T03:18:37Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that the diagnosed mental illness _may_ have been a contributing factor. Yep, especially since he wasn’t taking his meds. Still-diagnosed as schizophrenic at age 10? I thought most people didn’t show signs until they were in their twenties? Does that mean it would most likely be worse? ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/16 "2005-04-03T04:47:46Z")
What’s wrong with her parents? Why is a 15 year old hanging out with 21 year olds? That’s a disaster waiting to happen, no matter how you look at it. And someone get the clue stick out on the father. Hello, if the dude is old enough to hang out and drink with you, he’s too old for your 15 year old daughter, fuckstick. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/17 "2005-04-03T04:55:59Z")
What’s wrong with her parents? Why is a 15 year old hanging out with 21 year olds? That’s a disaster waiting to happen, no matter how you look at it. And someone get the clue stick out on the father. Hello, if the dude is old enough to hang out and drink with you, he’s too old for your 15 year old daughter, fuckstick. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![mischievous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mischievous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mischievous)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/18 "2005-04-03T04:56:00Z")
I think you guys are confusing two people in the story. Nicole White was his girlfriend, and she’s 22. Lisa Hernandez, 15, was the girl who was shot. Santiago was Lisa’s father and apparently Bishop’s (the perpetrator) drinking buddy, and the one who claims that Bishop hade previously made a death threat against his daughter. And what the fuck were the unnamed witnesses doing while Bishop put the gun to this girl’s head **several times**? They thought it was okay because she pushed it away again? mischievous ---
**Author:** ![zetafunction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/57b2e6/32.png) [@zetafunction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zetafunction)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/19 "2005-04-03T04:58:18Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > **Superdude** said for stories like THIS. Seems this asshole would be lucky to get lynched. At least he would get the chance to see his life flash before his eyes. Along with “justified lynchings” ( :rolleyes: ) come stories like the one I linked to. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2005, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446/20 "2005-04-03T05:28:45Z")
Hey, **zetafunction** , I’m not CONDONING lynch mobs in the slightest. However, I think that, IF this guy were lynched, the only people that would shed tears would be his family. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-means-no-fifteen-year-old-slain/297446.md?page=2)