# No men will be dipping their wick in this crazy **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 4, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893 "2014-01-04T18:14:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/181 "2014-01-12T03:40:55Z")
Isn’t it a law of sociology or psychohistory that extremists get mocked by those less extreme? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/182 "2014-01-12T03:52:06Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > Well, to begin with, the posters, all of whom I took to be women, described being on the other side of a familiar issue: trying as a male to talk my way into getting sex. When I think about going to an interesting museum with somebody, I am also picturing how it might be interesting to them, and what sharing the experience will be like, but when I think about getting to have sex with somebody, it gets pretty physically goal oriented. I don’t get pushy or devious or insistent or needy about other things in anywhere near the way I do it about sex. There are plenty of clues out there that I’m not the only one. That just means you’re bad in bed. That’s a far cry from being a _rapist_. > [@](#): > > As far as I know we are not organizing and plotting collectively, but the wall of sexual motivation I imagine we are projecting probably looks more like some kind of conspiracy from the other side – and for that matter, since I haven’t thought much about it before, maybe some of my conversation and comparing notes with other men, and reading humor and enjoying movies and all sorts of other things, have accomplished a kind of unconscious organization, or at least fed me lines and taught me expectations. The blogger and many of the posters there seem to be describing several of these mechanisms and undercurrents. There is some validity to the idea that our culture re-enforces certain kinds of sexism in us, even if we’re not conscious of it and think of ourselves as not being sexist. This, however, is not exactly a new idea, and is something that has been written on extensively by feminists who are \*not \*bat shit crazy bigots. This is, really, pretty much the exact equivalent of looking at Mein Kampf and saying, “Well, he does have a point about the economy in Germany being really fucked up…” That’s something that’s true, but the value of that particular fact is overshadowed by the volume of crazy and hateful that makes up the rest of the book. > [@](#): > > Also, I don’t know how fun sex is for women. I really do believe that sometimes it’s just great. But, the classic cartoon of sexual tension has the man pursuing and the woman holding back, and the only way I can make sense of that is if women just generally don’t see it as the same fun time men do. And I do feel motivated to make sense of it. The way people in that discussion are describing sex, it doesn’t sound like much fun; I never thought the women’s side of it looked that fun either, but I figured maybe that was just my orientation speaking. But what if there’s more to it? Well, one good way to understand how women feel about sex is to ask them. There’s about six (assuming those aren’t sock puppets) women on that website who don’t appear to much enjoy sex, at least with men. There are literally _millions_ of women out there who say they very much enjoy sex with men. Why would you privilege the accounts of the very small number of women on that website, over more or less the bulk of the entire female half of the species? > [@](#): > > One last point right off the cuff. We humans can all go marching off on our various missions, including in our bag of conventional wisdom that having sex feels fantastic and so we should try to get to do it as often as possible. That used to make a certain kind of sense – supposedly evolution makes sure sex feels fantastic, so that we propagate, and species that hate sex only last one generation. But somewhere around age 45 or 50 or so (I forget), it dawned on me that evolution doesn’t give a rat’s ass whether sex feels fantastic. Evolution only cares if we think it is going to. The people in that discussion seem to be heading to some women’s version of the lifting of the veil, which is different than my version, but which fits together with it. And, lo, male and female are made to fit together after all, but in the sense of getting philosophical about what’s under the veil, and not just the plumbing sense. I’m not quite following you here. Are you suggesting that people don’t actually enjoy sex, they just _think_ they enjoy sex? I’m not sure that’s a coherent idea. If someone _thinks_ they like something, how is that different from _actually_ liking something? By definition, aren’t they the same thing? > [@](#): > > And that’s the sorry root at the bottom of all this wonder and amazement. I kinda think that we’ve ALL been sold a bill of goods, and we do a lot of stuff that does accomplish procreation, and all our huge motivation on the subject seems inside us like it’s for us, and we’re chasing our favorite dream, but in fact it’s all for future generations. And we don’t figure this out until years after we’ve become irrelevant to the interests of future generations, and we’re working a few more years and preparing for disbursement from the species. I mostly have sex with other dudes. Procreation isn’t really something I spend a lot of time thinking about. I’m still pretty keen on having sex, though. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/183 "2014-01-12T03:54:59Z")
So, it WAS thought provoking after all? ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/184 "2014-01-12T05:39:17Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > So, it WAS thought provoking after all? If you mean thought provoking in the style of a Beavis and Buuthead flickering lightbult then yes, it was a great work - otherwise no. It has all the relevance of a human fetus squished into a dog turd with an unlit candle sticking out of its ass. Some people may see great depth in the message while everyone else simply knows to stay far, far away from the artist or anyone that pretends to understand them. Pro-tip - I don’t believe you actually read what you were responding to. It it 13 dimensions of crazy. It is better to admit that than try to cover for your original post in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/185 "2014-01-12T17:21:33Z")
Are you all kidding me? Put your thinking caps on people, that OP website is not at all what it appears to be. That radical feminism motif is but a thin veneer for a pitiable lonely hearts club. I bet dollars to donuts that the vast majority of their membership is comprised of young ladies who would like a little PIV action in their lives, but aren’t getting any (and the rest are old bags who would like a lot of PIV action, but don’t have a chance). And so, they concoct these inane “blame the man” stories in a vain attempt to shield themselves from feelings of inadequacy due to their failure to get some PIV action. They probably even fool themselves into believing their maladjusted rationalizations for not getting any PIV action. Yes, their ego may be all _“anything shaped like a kielbasa is retched”_ like, but make no mistake, their id wants some PIV action…and their superego wants some PI **A** action (if you know what I mean, _wink, wink_). The sad part is, many of these deluded young maidens could actually get some PIV action, if they knew how to make themselves somewhat attractive to men. It’s really not that hard to do. Often, just a small attitude change from within is all that is needed. Sometimes a new hairstyle and a new pair of shoes is required…and a gastric bypass and some plastic surgery. What’s that chick’s name from the RadFem site, Miss Wind is it? Well, I envision Miss Wind as a petite librarian type, with her hair in a tight bun, wearing sensible shoes. She probably gives off an air of cool, unwelcoming reserve, but deep down she’s just a shy, blush-prone waif, with pouty lips. But, unknot that tight bun and remove those coke bottle-bottom glasses, and those golden tresses of hers will flow sexily to her alabaster shoulders in slow motion, and soft-focus lighting. Then, look out guy’s, we’ve got a Hottie-McTottie in our midst! (Technically, she may need a pair of five inch heels and a nose job first, but she’s getting close to hottie-ville). Now she can finally attract some PIV action! I’m tempted to post an ad on that RadFem site offering my “Tibby Action Escort Service”, to loosen up those PIV starved girls. Guy’s, this is an easy to learn benevolent service that you’re welcome to copy and use at your own discretion, to help warm up frigid ladies-in-need (and make a little cash on the side): **Pre-prep:** Advertise for aesthetically challenged RadFem women with de-uglification potential, who crave PIV action. Discuss fees (or barter) and make a date. **Prep:** Bathe, with soap. Apply a liberal splash of Hai Karate aftershave lotion to each cheek. Trim your nose hair. Wear very tight pants. **The Date:** Take your lady to Red Lobster for a romantic dinner (be sure to inform her she will have to pay an upcharge if she orders lobster). Mostly talk about yourself in glowing terms, but mention that she has some nice features (e.g. _“your nose is quite well-proportioned ”, “I can tell you lost a lot of weight”, “your teeth are as white and straight as those of my horse…and he’s a prize-winner”_). **Post-date:** Take her back to your pad. Put Barry White on the stereo. Wallow in a couple bottles of Gallo. Sprinkle romance language words into your intimate couch conversation. Just wing it if you’re like me and don’t know any foreign language (e.g. “oui oui, seniorita”, “you are my sexy qui sent mauvais cucaracha”). **The Closer:** Unbuckle your tight pants. Spread your tighty-whitie flap. _Clap Off_ the lights. Unfold a green day-glow French Tickler onto your oui oui. PIV ensues! Trust me, after that treatment, your date’s rad fem orientation will be nothing but a bad mem! ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/186 "2014-01-12T18:46:32Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > So, it WAS thought provoking after all? Insofar as it causes me to ponder the philosophical question “Does a grain of truth justify or compensate for a bushel of crazy?”, yes. But I already figured I knew the answer to that one, and this instance has changed nothing. Really, it’s damned hard to build a bridge from “Some men can be inconsiderate, insincere even, when driven by the urge to have sex with a woman” to “Penetration of the penis into the vagina is sadistic torture without even the justification of being needed for conception, and all men should stop it at once, now and forever, and massively compensate women for ever having had to put up with it, and then ideally all drop dead”. And why would any remotely sane person even try? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/187 "2014-01-12T19:19:48Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > So, it WAS thought provoking after all? Maybe, if it’s literally the first feminist writing you’ve ever encountered. If you’re even slightly familiar with feminism, she’s raising a few concerns that have been heavily documented and discussed for decades now, and smothering it under a thick layer of hateful, psychotic bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/188 "2014-01-12T22:30:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Maybe, if it’s literally the first feminist writing you’ve ever encountered. If you’re even slightly familiar with feminism, she’s raising a few concerns that have been heavily documented and discussed for decades now, and smothering it under a thick layer of hateful, psychotic bullshit. Daaaaamn. Tough audience. Well, I’m staying with “thought provoking”. ---
**Author:** ![amorali](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3e96dc/32.png) [@amorali](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amorali)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/189 "2014-01-12T23:21:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Maybe, if it’s literally the first feminist writing you’ve ever encountered. If you’re even slightly familiar with feminism, she’s raising a few concerns that have been heavily documented and discussed for decades now, and smothering it under a thick layer of hateful, psychotic bullshit. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/190 "2014-01-13T04:35:36Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > Daaaaamn. Tough audience. Well, I’m staying with “thought provoking”. I’m staying with “PALATR” myself. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/191 "2014-01-13T05:52:12Z")
The blog and the comments correspond exactly to the anti black rhetoric on white supremacist sites. Just replace “men” with “niggers” and you’ve got a perfect post for Storm front. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/192 "2014-01-13T05:59:49Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’m staying with “PALATR” myself. I seem to be a little dense today. “PALATR”? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/193 "2014-01-13T07:02:56Z")
> [@Seanette](#): > > I seem to be a little dense today. “PALATR”? Point And Laugh At The Retard. ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/194 "2014-01-13T07:10:47Z")
Tyvm. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/195 "2014-01-13T13:51:26Z")
> [@Foggy](#): > > My head hurts and I only read part of it. This. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/196 "2014-01-13T14:10:02Z")
Excuse me, but I’m a stupid woman who probably shouldn’t be thinking this hard, but > [@](#): > > pregnancy, which is a medical event that can last for years (including lactation, and assuming that there were no long-term complications, which there often are) Did someone lie to me about what pregnancy was, or are women now supposed to have tits inside our uteruses? The blogger needs to spend some time in a nice restful place, yes? One with nice gardens one can walk around, yes? And nice nurses dressed in starched white, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/197 "2014-01-13T14:28:23Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Excuse me, but I’m a stupid woman who probably shouldn’t be thinking this hard, but > > Did someone lie to me about what pregnancy was, or are women now supposed to have tits inside our uteruses? She also does not consider intercourse “natural” or “necessary” for conception. Wonder how humanity managed for millennia before AI, IVF, and so on, in HER universe, or how mammals in general manage to reproduce? Just saying, this is not someone I consider reliable on biological questions. 😃 > [@](#): > > The blogger needs to spend some time in a nice restful place, yes? One with nice gardens one can walk around, yes? And nice nurses dressed in starched white, yes? Yeah, a stop at Happydale with all the meds she can throw down seems like a good choice. Mustn’t have any nice young MEN running around in their clean white coats, though. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/198 "2014-01-13T21:34:17Z")
> [@Seanette](#): > > She also does not consider intercourse “natural” or “necessary” for conception. Wonder how humanity managed for millennia before AI, IVF, and so on, in HER universe, or how mammals in general manage to reproduce? > > Just saying, this is not someone I consider reliable on biological questions. 😃 Men are just supposed to rub semen on our vulvas. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2014, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/199 "2014-01-13T21:46:09Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > If you do some googling of “radfem” and “radical feminism”, you will find that this opposition to PIV sex is actually a fairly common view among a certain strain of feminists. > > [Here’s another example](http://factcheckme.wordpress.com/2010/06/11/trauma-bonding/) > > And there are some “undercover” findings of a men’s rights activist who spent time hanging out on a radfem site [here](http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/radfem-hub-the-underbelly-of-a-hate-movement/) I look at this and all I can think is, “The internet will not be free until the last MRA is strangled with the guts of the last radfem.” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2014, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/200 "2014-01-14T01:19:07Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > > [@Seanette](#): > > > > She also does not consider intercourse “natural” or “necessary” for conception. Wonder how humanity managed for millennia before AI, IVF, and so on, in HER universe, or how mammals in general manage to reproduce? > > Men are just supposed to rub semen on our vulvas. Duh. I get the feeling we’d be expected to \*give \*the woman the semen if/when she asks for it (with no ifs or buts from our side), and _she_ will be the one to do any rubbing. But yeah, that one’s curious. For every other higher mammal, mating involves penetration at some point, doesn’t it? > [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > I look at this and all I can think is, “The internet will not be free until the last MRA is strangled with the guts of the last radfem.” 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893.md?page=11)