# No men will be dipping their wick in this crazy **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 4, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893 "2014-01-04T18:14:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/61 "2014-01-05T02:23:35Z")
> [@Sahirrnee](#): > > I don’t know, > > - shaking her like he would stuff a corpse\* kind of spoils the mood for me. Come on, think of the opportunities for dirty talk. “Baby, tonight I want you to shake me like I’ve been a naughty corpse.” ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/62 "2014-01-05T02:28:13Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > It’s always saddening to be reminded that people like this actually exist in the real world, and not just absurd stereotypes. Yeah, but at least they have enough sense to only give these kinds of loony rants online. We’ve rightfully shamed them out of saying this kind of nonsense to anyone’s face. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/63 "2014-01-05T03:31:35Z")
> [@Sahirrnee](#): > > I don’t know, > > - shaking her like he would stuff a corpse\* kind of spoils the mood for me. Yes, but what the heck does it even MEAN? The only people who stuff corpses are embalmers and that’s not the way it’s done! ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/64 "2014-01-05T03:42:12Z")
> [@Sahirrnee](#): > > At the risk of sounding like a slut, > I would be very happy to take all the PIV they are rejecting. The more PIV they reject the more that is left for the rest of us. So how _you_ doing? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/65 "2014-01-05T03:56:34Z")
Not going to read the article. Seen shit like it before. There’s too much damage behind it. A mind cracking trying to make the Universe be something it isn’t and not able to bridge the gulf between What Is and What Must Be (According to My Will). ---
**Author:** ![Silophant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Silophant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silophant)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/66 "2014-01-05T04:07:57Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Should all women throughout history have been impregnated via IVF? Makes sense. Of course not. If a woman wanted to become pregnant, all she would have to do is ask a man for some sperm, which she would rub onto her vulva. Pregnancy would ensue. And when the baby comes, it shouldn’t hurt, because things that hurt are unnatural. It only does hurt because women have been selectively bred to be smaller and thinner by the patriarchy. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/67 "2014-01-05T04:46:30Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > I’m not. That’s exactly what that breezy, intellectualized strand of shit says. > > The “all heterosexual intercourse is rape” thing goes back to one of the hyper-radical feminists whose name I willfully forget. Nuthin’ new here. It’s yer snatch, lady. Keep it zipped if that’s what thrills you. Andrea Dworkin. And even she didn’t mean it _literally_, like these nutjobs do. She didn’t say that exactly, and she was talking about how female sexuality is viewed in society, and that a lot of pornography revolved around women being controlled and/or humiliated. (Basically, women being used only as sex objects for the sake of men’s pleasure.) Note: I am not, nor have I ever been, a fan of Dworkin, nor do I agree with a lot of her work. But her comments were metaphorical. Embalmers don’t stuff corpses, either. Unless she’s comparing semen to embalming fluid. Actually, ALL female heterosexuality is [unnatural](http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/08/08/grooming-pimping-into-heterosexuality-politics-of-love-pt-ii/): > [@](#): > > No woman is heterosexual. What men call heterosexuality is an institution where men make women captive for PIV, to control our reproductive functions and steal our labour. Heterosexuality, or sexuality with men does not exist, because the only relationship to men that exists is men’s violence, physical and mental invasion – one that men have so well crafted and disguised for so long that we can mistake it for attraction, sexual urges or love. All women’s “attraction” to men is 100% eroticised trauma bonding / stockholm syndrome. There is no other form of attraction to men possible than that. None. Any woman “sexually” or “sentimentally” attached to a man is ONLY trauma-bonded to him. This is a universal rule under patriarchy. BUT…even lesbians aren’t always free: > [@](#): > > Lesbianism isn’t necessarily liberating. It can even be anti-liberating. I wouldn’t urge all women to jump blindly into lesbian relationships as most of the time it reproduces the male template of possession and invasion. Huh? WTF does that MEAN? 😕 And what exactly is “trauma-bonding”, anyways? Girlfriend is coo coo for Cocoa Puffs. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/68 "2014-01-05T04:57:12Z")
This one is kind of sad. I think it’s likely that there’s some serious trauma behind the craziness. And, from what I understand, it’s unfair to paint radfems with the same brush. If I understand their views correctly, very, very few radfems (or feminists in general) believe that all PIV sex is rape. ---
**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/69 "2014-01-05T05:05:46Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And what exactly is “trauma-bonding”, anyways? It’s when someone is victimizing you, but you feel like the trauma is something that you’re enduring together, like it’s an outside force. So it makes you feel closer to them, because the victimizer is also the one occasionally providing the comfort that you’re so desperate for BECAUSE of their abuse. Stockholm Syndrome would be considered a type of trauma bonding, and it’s also something a lot of domestic violence victims experience. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/70 "2014-01-05T05:19:03Z")
Ah, thanks. Makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/71 "2014-01-05T11:56:22Z")
> [@Sahirrnee](#): > > The man is forcing his large body part into a woman’s intimate parts and depositing his dejected (whatever that is?) into her. (underlining mine) “dejection,” is what it said. Apparently it’s a zoology term for feces, or the act of defecation. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/72 "2014-01-05T12:03:21Z")
> [@Sahirrnee](#): > > I don’t know, > > - shaking her like he would stuff a corpse\* kind of spoils the mood for me. :: Deletes from list of pickup lines. ---
**Author:** ![Isilder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/cc9497/32.png) [@Isilder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isilder)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/73 "2014-01-05T12:30:49Z")
her online name “Radical Identity” is just purely random right ?? ??? No I think they are trying to “escape”. A lesbian can feel this inner conflict … “but I should like penis”.! and try to rationalist things all sorts of different ways. I suppose thats a bit of a freud style thing… the reason she is so anti-penis is … she likes it but has a conflict… Some say freud is outdated… no its completely correct for understanding political messages like this. All the Vagina power stuff is _freudian_. “we need an external excuse because we won’t admit we have internal conflict” stuff. The sooner they admit their internal conflicts, the better. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/74 "2014-01-05T13:14:47Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Yes, but what the heck does it even MEAN? The only people who stuff corpses are embalmers and that’s not the way it’s done! That’s what the embalming industry wants you to think. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/75 "2014-01-05T15:18:16Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > I am guessing her first boyfriend was John Norman…and he didn’t like her very much. Or John Holmes. ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/76 "2014-01-05T15:47:24Z")
> [@Blackberry](#): > > Is anyone else turned on right now? I’m not sure what corpse-shaking is all about, but if it comes with a large member, nakedness, and being banged on with the whole weight of his body and hips, I’ll take one, please. I can _maybe_ understand this craziness if it’s coming from someone who has been raped, or made pregnant against her will. To someone who’s been through that sort of trauma, maybe PIV in any form does seem like rape. But the response shouldn’t be to try and convince all other women on the planet that they’re brainwashed into liking sex and they’re being abused and oppressed every time they do it. The species wouldn’t be here if we hated sex and men just reluctantly smeared semen on women, hoping for the best. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/77 "2014-01-05T15:58:23Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I look at a screed like that and think “Honey, it’s totally OK if you’re a lesbian and think boys are icky, but please don’t impose your sexual orientation on me.” I go both ways, but lean towards men so I don’t know what she would consider me, a quisling maybe? How the hell does she think she got born and the human race needs to be born to continue as a species? How does she deal with women raised by women that are hetero oriented? ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/78 "2014-01-05T16:09:26Z")
Is a lesbian using a strap-on also rape? ---
**Author:** ![Silophant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Silophant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silophant)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/79 "2014-01-05T16:11:01Z")
I believe that anything going into the vagina is rape, because it hurts the first time. The vagina is meant for babies to come out of. Painlessly. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/80 "2014-01-05T16:17:36Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > I go both ways, but lean towards men so I don’t know what she would consider me, a quisling maybe? > > How the hell does she think she got born and the human race needs to be born to continue as a species? How does she deal with women raised by women that are hetero oriented? It is impossible for women to escape male-dominated society. They are brainwashed into thinking that’s what is right. In the comments she explains that consent to PIV is impossible because consent to violence is impossible. What’s even more fun is her condescending tone - she didn’t even think she would have to explain why consent is not relevant. I suppose women who masturbate with dildos are simply acting upon their brainwashing as well. As are, I guess, women who achieve orgasm through anal sex. Pregnancy through semen on the vulva? Does she really think that would reliably lead to pregnancy? Sounds like a kid who thinks pregnancy results from using a toilet after a man used it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893.md?page=5)