# No men will be dipping their wick in this crazy **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 4, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893 "2014-01-04T18:14:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/121 "2014-01-06T08:48:49Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > The sickening thing is that these nutbags give actual feminists a bad image. Because I don’t see these women as feminists – not even radical feminists. They care more about hating men (and they come right out and admit that men are all evil and cannot be changed), than they do about advancing women’s rights. Yeah, I don’t think she’s a feminist at all. Because basically you’ve got 90% of all the women on Earth, or 97%, or whatever the exact number is–all the women who are not lesbian or asexual\*–who are either getting a bit of the old P.I.V. on a regular basis and like it, but also including all those woman who _aren’t_ getting any of the old P.I.V. because they’re going through a bit of a dry spell this week/month/year/ever since they were marooned on that desert island after the plane crash back in 1982, but who nonetheless would in theory fancy a bit of the old P.I.V. (With the right guy, of course. Although the heterosexual woman who’s been marooned on a desert island since 1982 probably isn’t feeling too picky by now.) \*Not that there’s anything wrong with that. And this whackjob is basically telling _all_ of them–the Vast Majority of Women on Earth–that, no, they’re not really grown-up self-actualized empowered adults who are capable of making their own decisions about their lives and all. Nope, y’all are all just a bunch of helplessly brainwashed mindless slaves of the P.I.V.-pushing patriarchy! You all might as well be living on Gor! Really, we shouldn’t even let y’all vote, should we? ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/122 "2014-01-06T09:24:03Z")
As a gay man I’d like to get this lady’s thoughts on PIA sometime when she has a moment. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/123 "2014-01-06T13:27:46Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > … > Under her ideology, when a woman rapes-via-intercourse a man, is the man still the rapist? It’s simple. Women don’t rape men. The men were asking for … no, DEMANDING it! ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/124 "2014-01-06T14:16:23Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > It’s simple. Women don’t rape men. The men were asking for … no, DEMANDING it! Women **can’t** be rapists, just like you can’t be a racist unless you’re white (and yes I’ve been told that). ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/125 "2014-01-06T14:34:02Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Apparently no one ever told her about cowgirl. > > Seriously, you gotta love the patronizing attitude: “if you say you’re a woman who likes piv, you’re brainwashed. WE know what’s better for you.” :dubious: And that patronizing attitude is why I want nothing to do with modern feminism. Equality I’m on board with, to be certain. Some smug harpy shrieking at me about how I’m a helplessly brainwashed victim and every male in the world is a horrible abuser and if I don’t agree with this, I’m just too dumb and brainwashed to realize reality is IMO every bit as degrading as any alleged misogyny around. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/126 "2014-01-06T14:37:50Z")
Um, does all this stuff apply to female sheep as well? ---
**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/127 "2014-01-06T14:43:52Z")
> [@Seanette](#): > > And that patronizing attitude is why I want nothing to do with modern feminism. Equality I’m on board with, to be certain. Some smug harpy shrieking at me about how I’m a helplessly brainwashed victim and every male in the world is a horrible abuser and if I don’t agree with this, I’m just too dumb and brainwashed to realize reality is IMO every bit as degrading as any alleged misogyny around. I agree, except what about things we do pretty much the same thing about, like, say, women being required to wear burqas and being A-OK with that, or supporting forced FGM? Don’t we think they’ve been brainwashed into accepting poor treatment? I know I do… ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/128 "2014-01-06T14:47:37Z")
Ok, I feel bad for all the women who’ve been brainwashed into being raped and claiming to like it. But what about me? I’ve been brainwashed into being a rapist and thinking women like it! ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/129 "2014-01-06T14:54:42Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > The sickening thing is that these nutbags give actual feminists a bad image. Because I don’t see these women as feminists – not even radical feminists. They care more about hating men (and they come right out and admit that men are all evil and cannot be changed), than they do about advancing women’s rights. It’s “feminist” in the sense the Westboro Baptist Church (Fred Phelps Cult) is “christian” – by self-identification and claiming the mantle of being the “true faith” while everyone else are fakers, appeasers and compromisers. What they look more like is a sort of “female supremacist” group, and one particularly enamored of mythological woo, at that. (And who end up lending ammunition to the pathetic MRAs). One doesn’t want to play unlicensed analyst but the temptation is strong to say, well, looks like _someone_ DID have some sort of “bonding trauma” along the way. ---
**Author:** ![Sahirrnee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sahirrnee/32/13937_2.png) [@Sahirrnee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sahirrnee)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/130 "2014-01-06T15:15:12Z")
> [@Blackberry](#): > > I agree, except what about things we do pretty much the same thing about, like, say, women being required to wear burqas and being A-OK with that, or supporting forced FGM? Don’t we think they’ve been brainwashed into accepting poor treatment? I know I do… I wonder the same thing because their version is that we are the brainwashed ones, forced to parade our bodies around and compete for men. One hundred years from now will what the RadFems are saying now be considered normal? Anyway for me sex is as natural as eating, breathing and sleeping. I resent being told that I have been brainwashed because I enjoy it. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/131 "2014-01-06T15:34:47Z")
> [@Sahirrnee](#): > > … I resent being told that I have been brainwashed because I enjoy it. There are real world examples of this phenomena, because I enjoy the movie _Independence Day_, which I know objectively is a terrible movie. ---
**Author:** ![Blackberry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blackberry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackberry)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/132 "2014-01-06T17:35:55Z")
> [@Sahirrnee](#): > > I wonder the same thing > because their version is that we are the brainwashed ones, forced to parade our bodies around and compete for men. > One hundred years from now will what the RadFems are saying now be considered normal? This is why I feel like we can’t go by people’s evangelizing, no matter what it’s about, and really need to just judge the message for the message itself. Her message is wrong. Since she believes it is right, I don’t blame her for trying to spread it. I don’t blame Evangelical Christians for trying to spread their message either; in their worldview, of course they have to. I think their message is reprehensible, but anyone who actually believes it will feel compelled to share it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/133 "2014-01-06T18:24:49Z")
> [@Silophant](#): > > Of course not. If a woman wanted to become pregnant, all she would have to do is ask a man for some sperm, which she would rub onto her vulva. Pregnancy would ensue. And when the baby comes, it shouldn’t hurt, because things that hurt are unnatural. It only does hurt because women have been selectively bred to be smaller and thinner by the patriarchy. Actually, pregnancy is part of the [ABUSE](http://factcheckme.wordpress.com/the-intercourse-series/) of piv: > [@](#): > > intercourse can literally kill you, if you are a woman. (sorry! really, i am). it causes pregnancy, which is a medical event that can last for years (including lactation, and assuming that there were no long-term complications, which there often are). PIV is the one and only cause of obstetric fistula, gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, miscarriage and abortion, and is causative of the illnesses and deaths of hundreds of thousands of women annually (see maternal morbidity and mortality here, and a discussion of “near misses” here). > [@](#): > > and PIV is known to destroy womens careers, and their livelihoods, as well. not even considering the “mommy track” that so many women allegedly “choose,” even if you have an early abortion, you are risking getting in trouble at work if you are too sick to come in, in the first weeks and months of pregnancy due to morning sickness. i mean really. sitting under your desk puking into a fucking trashcan doesnt look so good, because most people assume you are drunk (although appearing unintentionally knocked up doesnt do a woman any favors, either, in the “i am responsible, just like a man!!!11!!” competition). and if you are too sick to even drive or take public transportation, you cant even clock in, to humiliate yourself this way. or to get paid, obvs. So the human species should go extinct? :dubious: How men can [help](http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/if-men-want-to-help/): > [@](#): > > 1. Stop sticking your dicks in women. This is rape. This is torture. > 2. Stop sticking your dicks in women. NOW. For EVER!!! Ever ever. Like, don’t ever put your dick in a woman or a girl again. > 3. The above is the utmost, absolute MINIMUM men can do to help women. This does not even count men’s infinite every-day torture that surrounds rape and impregnation of women by men that they should stop too. A man who sticks his dick in girls and women is a rapist (and scum). He is not helping women. > 4. Give back to women what you, and men in general, have stolen from women: > 5. Women need Land. Give land back to women. > 6. Women need money. Give money back to women. > 7. Women need houses and rooms of our own. Give houses back to women. > 8. Women need resources (food, water, equipment of all sorts…). Give resources back to women. > 9. Women need time. Clean your own shit. > 10. Reminder: stop using your dick against women, stay away from feminism, and refuse any credit for your what you give back to women. For a thief is not to be thanked for handing back what he stole. [The ALL MEN ARE EVIL](http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/spot-the-man-behind-the-man/) (because you can’t make this shit up) There isn’t enough facepalm in the world for this. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/134 "2014-01-06T19:50:11Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > I don’t think that’s the typical mindset of a lesbian - it’s the mindset of a fucking nutcase. I’m thinking she’s just a nutcase. no fucking involved. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/135 "2014-01-06T20:17:56Z")
I bet she’d be loads of fun on a date! ---
**Author:** ![amorali](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3e96dc/32.png) [@amorali](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amorali)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/136 "2014-01-06T20:51:33Z")
If she truly believes these things, I think she’s very emotionally disturbed. She’s probably been raped or assaulted, probably either a lesbian or asexual too. I knew some people like this in college and they scared me. There are a lot of people claiming to be radical feminists who indeed are not trying to make the world better for women. They are trying to make the world better for lesbians. Which is fine, but be honest about your agenda. There’s a lot of hatred against straight women in their rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/137 "2014-01-06T21:13:12Z")
Honest question: do the RadFems of Color bag on the white RF’s for their oppressive legacy? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/138 "2014-01-06T21:26:10Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > I bet she’d be loads of fun on a date! I would love to bring her to a party, introduce her to a bunch of people and then retreat to a corner and watch. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/139 "2014-01-06T21:29:21Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > I would love to bring her to a party, introduce her to a bunch of people and then retreat to a corner and watch. What’s her policy on handshakes? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/140 "2014-01-06T22:24:08Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > What’s her policy on handshakes? I’m sure she’s fine with them. I mean, it’s not like she’s CRAZY! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893.md?page=8)