# No men will be dipping their wick in this crazy **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 4, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893 "2014-01-04T18:14:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![amorali](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3e96dc/32.png) [@amorali](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amorali)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/161 "2014-01-10T17:28:30Z")
This is not modern feminism. This is modern feminism. > **[Third-wave feminism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism)** > > Third-wave feminism is a feminist movement that began in the early 1990s, prominent in the decades prior to the fourth wave. Grounded in the civil-rights advances of the second wave, Gen X third-wave feminists born in the 1960s and 1970s embraced diversity and individualism in women, and sought to redefine what it meant to be a feminist. The third wave saw the emergence of new feminist currents and theories, such as intersectionality, sex positivity, vegetarian ecofeminism, tran The third wave is... Personally I would like to see a movement of men and women who are against all gender inequality. Where they work to protect reproductive rights but also work to make laws fairer to men. IMO if a woman hides a child from a man she shouldn’t be allowed to get back child support. If she lies about paternity she should have to pay back any child support already paid. I don’t see why we can’t all work together, why does it have to be girls vs. boys? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/162 "2014-01-10T21:19:35Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > How men can [help](http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/if-men-want-to-help/): > > “1. Stop sticking your dicks in women. This is rape. This is torture. > 2. Stop sticking your dicks in women. NOW. For EVER!!! Ever ever. Like, don’t ever put your dick in a woman or a girl again. > 3. The above is the utmost, absolute MINIMUM men can do to help women. This does not even count men’s infinite every-day torture that surrounds rape and impregnation of women by men that they should stop too. A man who sticks his dick in girls and women is a rapist (and scum). He is not helping women. > 4. Give back to women what you, and men in general, have stolen from women: > 5. Women need Land. Give land back to women. > 6. Women need money. Give money back to women. > 7. Women need houses and rooms of our own. Give houses back to women. > 8. Women need resources (food, water, equipment of all sorts…). Give resources back to women. > 9. Women need time. Clean your own shit. > 10. Reminder: stop using your dick against women, stay away from feminism, and refuse any credit for your what you give back to women. For a thief is not to be thanked for handing back what he stole.” Um, you want to kill us all, so I don’t think I’ll be giving you a fucking thing, dear - leaving aside any question of whether we stole it in the first place :dubious:. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/163 "2014-01-10T21:29:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Guinastasia View Post > How men can help: > > “1. Stop sticking your dicks in women. This is rape. This is torture. > 2. Stop sticking your dicks in women. NOW. For EVER!!! Ever ever. Like, don’t ever put your dick in a woman or a girl again. > 3. The above is the utmost, absolute MINIMUM men can do to help women. This does not even count men’s infinite every-day torture that surrounds rape and impregnation of women by men that they should stop too. A man who sticks his dick in girls and women is a rapist (and scum). He is not helping women. > 4. Give back to women what you, and men in general, have stolen from women: > 5. Women need Land. Give land back to women. > 6. Women need money. Give money back to women. > 7. Women need houses and rooms of our own. Give houses back to women. > 8. Women need resources (food, water, equipment of all sorts…). Give resources back to women. > 9. Women need time. Clean your own shit. > 10. Reminder: stop using your dick against women, stay away from feminism, and refuse any credit for your what you give back to women. For a thief is not to be thanked for handing back what he stole.” Ok, just for clarification: Blowjobs okay or not? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2014, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/164 "2014-01-10T21:52:09Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Ok, just for clarification: Blowjobs okay or not? You offering? 😃 Personally I take 'em but I don’t give 'em. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/165 "2014-01-11T18:00:11Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Honest question: do the RadFems of Color bag on the white RF’s for their oppressive legacy? That’s something I’ve wanted to know. I mean, for example, during the Women’s Suffrage movement one of the reasons those in the South voted for the 19th Amendment was that the White Suffragettes promised that if they got the right to vote they wouldn’t rock the boat about making sure Black women were actually able to vote. Because the last thing a lot of people wanted was Black people voting. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/166 "2014-01-11T18:46:56Z")
In re the OP, I think that people who don’t want penises inserted into them are well within their rights to feel that way, to not have penises inserted into them, and to talk about it online. What feels wrong to me is linking to their conversation to mock them. Sorry if this comes off as too critical, but, it certainly isn’t very useful of us. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/167 "2014-01-11T19:03:54Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > Are you kidding? This type of feminism makes Rush pop a boner. As long as he doesn’t stick it I anybody’s V, he’s in the clear. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/168 "2014-01-11T19:36:11Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > In re the OP, I think that people who don’t want penises inserted into them are well within their rights to feel that way, to not have penises inserted into them, and to talk about it online. > > What feels wrong to me is linking to their conversation to mock them. That would be an excellent and totally valid point. If that were in any way what’s happening here. But it’s not. No one is mocking them for their desire to not have sex with men. It is the ridiculous, over-the-top accusation that every single heterosexual male in the history of the human species (and probably beyond) is a rapist, no matter how loving the relationship was. That is, in a word, stupid. And absolutely worthy of mockery. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/169 "2014-01-11T20:01:34Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > In re the OP, I think that people who don’t want penises inserted into them are well within their rights to feel that way, to not have penises inserted into them, and to talk about it online. > > What feels wrong to me is linking to their conversation to mock them. > > Sorry if this comes off as too critical, but, it certainly isn’t very useful of us. You’re right. People who want to fantasise publicly about how wonderful it would be if only half the human race would conspire to murder the other half simultaneously before they could retaliate - people like that should not be mocked. Locked up now, that would be a horse of another colour. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/170 "2014-01-11T20:14:01Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > In re the OP, I think that people who don’t want penises inserted into them are well within their rights to feel that way, to not have penises inserted into them, and to talk about it online. > > What feels wrong to me is linking to their conversation to mock them. > > Sorry if this comes off as too critical, but, it certainly isn’t very useful of us. Did you read the linked page? Because I can’t believe you came to that conclusion if you did. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/171 "2014-01-11T20:19:43Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > That’s something I’ve wanted to know. I mean, for example, during the Women’s Suffrage movement one of the reasons those in the South voted for the 19th Amendment was that the White Suffragettes promised that if they got the right to vote they wouldn’t rock the boat about making sure Black women were actually able to vote. Because the last thing a lot of people wanted was Black people voting. There is a running joke that the only safe thing to be on Tumblr is a fat, disabled, genderqueer woman of color. I have certainly seen oppression olympics infighting of this sort, but nothing quite as cuckoo for cocoa puffs from black women to white women as the piece in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/172 "2014-01-11T21:24:56Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > No one is mocking them for their desire to not have sex with men. It is the ridiculous, over-the-top accusation that every single heterosexual male in the history of the human species (and probably beyond) is a rapist, no matter how loving the relationship was. That is, in a word, stupid. And absolutely worthy of mockery. Hey, what about the accusations that every single woman who thinks she enjoys heterosexual sex is just a brainwashed victim? ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/173 "2014-01-11T21:38:33Z")
Plus, of course, all men who want to be helpful should immediately swear off putting their penises in girls and women, should devote their efforts to preventing other men from putting their penises in girls and women, should “give back” land, money, housing and resources to women while regarding themselves only as thieves returning what has been stolen and not expecting any thanks for making amends. ---
**Author:** ![Sahirrnee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sahirrnee/32/13937_2.png) [@Sahirrnee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sahirrnee)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/174 "2014-01-11T22:55:16Z")
> [@Napier](#): > > In re the OP, I think that people who don’t want penises inserted into them are well within their rights to feel that way, to not have penises inserted into them, and to talk about it online. > > What feels wrong to me is linking to their conversation to mock them. > > Sorry if this comes off as too critical, but, it certainly isn’t very useful of us. Nobody is telling anybody they have to have penises inserted into them. However, people who don’t want penises into them should not be accusing those who do of being brainwashed into enjoying it, nor should they be accusing all those who do the inserting of being rapists. I didn’t link to a conversation, it is a blog posted on the internet. That makes it public, anybody can read it, anybody can comment on it. If people don’t want their ‘conversations’ overheard then they shouldn’t post them on the net. People who post blogs want their opinions to be read, they want people to comment on their blogs. She won’t let anybody post anything that disagrees with her opinion on her blog, which is her choice. However, she can’t stop people from posting elsewhere. Do you think this is the only place that has linked to her blog and the only place mocking her? Do you think she is the only blogger to be mocked here? It’s no different than laughing at the woman who stabbed her man with a ceramic squirrel or any of the other idiots that get mocked around here. It’s what we do best. Since when is anything posted in MPSIMS meant to be useful anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2014, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/175 "2014-01-11T23:58:31Z")
All right, all right. Sihirrnee does make an important point, which is that MPSIMS isn’t trying to necessarily be useful. You have me there. I did read the page including the posts after the main article. I don’t agree with all of it but there’s definitely a lot of insight there and it’s definitely interesting. And, it’s not like I don’t know what they’re talking about. Nobody was “dipping any wicks” but that is a thought provoking read. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/176 "2014-01-12T00:29:51Z")
Yes, it provokes the thought that gives the title to the thread. The one that goes: This is absurd, ridiculous, and deserves mockery. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/177 "2014-01-12T01:18:48Z")
Which parts did you think were insightful or thought provoking? ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/178 "2014-01-12T02:13:08Z")
Well, to begin with, the posters, all of whom I took to be women, described being on the other side of a familiar issue: trying as a male to talk my way into getting sex. When I think about going to an interesting museum with somebody, I am also picturing how it might be interesting to them, and what sharing the experience will be like, but when I think about getting to have sex with somebody, it gets pretty physically goal oriented. I don’t get pushy or devious or insistent or needy about other things in anywhere near the way I do it about sex. There are plenty of clues out there that I’m not the only one. As far as I know we are not organizing and plotting collectively, but the wall of sexual motivation I imagine we are projecting probably looks more like some kind of conspiracy from the other side – and for that matter, since I haven’t thought much about it before, maybe some of my conversation and comparing notes with other men, and reading humor and enjoying movies and all sorts of other things, have accomplished a kind of unconscious organization, or at least fed me lines and taught me expectations. The blogger and many of the posters there seem to be describing several of these mechanisms and undercurrents. Also, I don’t know how fun sex is for women. I really do believe that sometimes it’s just great. But, the classic cartoon of sexual tension has the man pursuing and the woman holding back, and the only way I can make sense of that is if women just generally don’t see it as the same fun time men do. And I do feel motivated to make sense of it. The way people in that discussion are describing sex, it doesn’t sound like much fun; I never thought the women’s side of it looked that fun either, but I figured maybe that was just my orientation speaking. But what if there’s more to it? One last point right off the cuff. We humans can all go marching off on our various missions, including in our bag of conventional wisdom that having sex feels fantastic and so we should try to get to do it as often as possible. That used to make a certain kind of sense – supposedly evolution makes sure sex feels fantastic, so that we propagate, and species that hate sex only last one generation. But somewhere around age 45 or 50 or so (I forget), it dawned on me that evolution doesn’t give a rat’s ass whether sex feels fantastic. Evolution only cares if we think it is going to. The people in that discussion seem to be heading to some women’s version of the lifting of the veil, which is different than my version, but which fits together with it. And, lo, male and female are made to fit together after all, but in the sense of getting philosophical about what’s under the veil, and not just the plumbing sense. And that’s the sorry root at the bottom of all this wonder and amazement. I kinda think that we’ve ALL been sold a bill of goods, and we do a lot of stuff that does accomplish procreation, and all our huge motivation on the subject seems inside us like it’s for us, and we’re chasing our favorite dream, but in fact it’s all for future generations. And we don’t figure this out until years after we’ve become irrelevant to the interests of future generations, and we’re working a few more years and preparing for disbursement from the species. ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/179 "2014-01-12T02:19:34Z")
Although, on second thought, what I just said might be absurd and ridiculous, so if anybody thinks it deserves mockery, well, you just go right ahead, with my blessing. Have at it. And by all means make it just as funny and biting as possible. At this point I’d probably be laughing the hardest. ---
**Author:** ![Eldrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Eldrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eldrin)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893/180 "2014-01-12T03:26:25Z")
I told her… what I told her was…you got to understand you are wrong… the souls of your feet would be just like that vagina if we didnt work to put them shoes on them… /facepalm [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-men-will-be-dipping-their-wick-in-this-crazy/677893.md?page=10)