# No more 'brownies' for you **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 30, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779 "2016-06-30T14:26:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sahirrnee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sahirrnee/32/13937_2.png) [@Sahirrnee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sahirrnee)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/1 "2016-06-30T14:26:05Z")
It sucks getting old. Language is changing too fast for me and I can’t keep up anymore. I am hopelessly behind the times and may as well give up. I didn’t know that ‘brownies’ is now considered to be a racist term. [http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437306/new-jersey-elementary-school-student-brownies](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437306/new-jersey-elementary-school-student-brownies) I don’t what we are going to call these [https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://foodnetwork.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/food/fullset/2012/1/24/2/FNM\_030112-Insert-032-2\_s4x3.jpg.rend.sni18col.landscape.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/articles/50-brownies.html&h=462&w=616&tbnid=pzoScpOBYH9HtM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=213&docid=H7ozww0V797PsM&usg=\_\_xwcSwU6EAFNwHOQ-KAWlKcr8cII=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwsayS-c\_NAhUh8IMKHXbnA0sQ9QEIIjAA](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://foodnetwork.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/food/fullset/2012/1/24/2/FNM_030112-Insert-032-2_s4x3.jpg.rend.sni18col.landscape.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/articles/50-brownies.html&h=462&w=616&tbnid=pzoScpOBYH9HtM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=213&docid=H7ozww0V797PsM&usg=__xwcSwU6EAFNwHOQ-KAWlKcr8cII=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwsayS-c_NAhUh8IMKHXbnA0sQ9QEIIjAA) or these [https://www.google.com/search?q=brownies+mythical+creatures&tbm=isch&imgil=hAu7t2-JQTAQBM%253A%253BtF0XJLzxPesjYM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Faglayamoroz.blogspot.com%25252F2013%25252F02%25252Ffridays-mythological-creature-of-day.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=hAu7t2-JQTAQBM%253A%252CtF0XJLzxPesjYM%252C\_&usg=\_\_lKhDBuCnXUHX3b4uDu76lxzIwNQ%3D&biw=1366&bih=659&ved=0ahUKEwifueu3-c\_NAhUl64MKHUulDUMQyjcIOA&ei=-Sp1V9\_YE6XWjwTLyraYBA#imgrc=zKpDCttzrlD7gM%3A](https://www.google.com/search?q=brownies+mythical+creatures&tbm=isch&imgil=hAu7t2-JQTAQBM%253A%253BtF0XJLzxPesjYM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Faglayamoroz.blogspot.com%25252F2013%25252F02%25252Ffridays-mythological-creature-of-day.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=hAu7t2-JQTAQBM%253A%252CtF0XJLzxPesjYM%252C_&usg=__lKhDBuCnXUHX3b4uDu76lxzIwNQ%3D&biw=1366&bih=659&ved=0ahUKEwifueu3-c_NAhUl64MKHUulDUMQyjcIOA&ei=-Sp1V9_YE6XWjwTLyraYBA#imgrc=zKpDCttzrlD7gM%3A) or these [https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+girl+scout+brownies&tbm=isch&imgil=5AzHEpLYq04biM%253A%253BmSrN3CEV3USppM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.alamitosmarina.org%25252Fbrlinks.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=5AzHEpLYq04biM%253A%252CmSrN3CEV3USppM%252C\_&usg=\_\_\_7GnKTTb5giadUHQ6K2u5QtUKk4%3D&biw=1366&bih=659&ved=0ahUKEwjastyN-s\_NAhVBzoMKHY2FCNEQyjcILQ&ei=rSt1V5qoGsGcjwSNi6KIDQ#imgrc=t5P-T6El-NURLM%3A](https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+girl+scout+brownies&tbm=isch&imgil=5AzHEpLYq04biM%253A%253BmSrN3CEV3USppM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.alamitosmarina.org%25252Fbrlinks.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=5AzHEpLYq04biM%253A%252CmSrN3CEV3USppM%252C_&usg=___7GnKTTb5giadUHQ6K2u5QtUKk4%3D&biw=1366&bih=659&ved=0ahUKEwjastyN-s_NAhVBzoMKHY2FCNEQyjcILQ&ei=rSt1V5qoGsGcjwSNi6KIDQ#imgrc=t5P-T6El-NURLM%3A) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/2 "2016-06-30T14:33:40Z")
Your post should contain a warning for those who are gluten intolerant. ---
**Author:** ![Sahirrnee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sahirrnee/32/13937_2.png) [@Sahirrnee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sahirrnee)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/3 "2016-06-30T14:41:42Z")
I guess black bottoms [https://www.google.com/search?q=black+bottoms&tbm=isch&imgil=suRHywF3MuHHuM%253A%253BhpxQXp\_9wJ-IoM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fravagedeli.com%25252Fmenus%25252Fmrs-pose-black-bottoms%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=suRHywF3MuHHuM%253A%252ChpxQXp\_9wJ-IoM%252C\_&usg=\_\_tOiYnEPbXKywWnLjx1V7JlBn11U%3D&biw=1366&bih=659&ved=0ahUKEwi-6t-f\_c\_NAhWr7YMKHezfDu4QyjcISg&ei=-C51V76OIavbjwTsv7vwDg#tbm=isch&q=black+bottom+cupcakes&imgrc=mqdLm9PcpuSlBM%3A](https://www.google.com/search?q=black+bottoms&tbm=isch&imgil=suRHywF3MuHHuM%253A%253BhpxQXp_9wJ-IoM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fravagedeli.com%25252Fmenus%25252Fmrs-pose-black-bottoms%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=suRHywF3MuHHuM%253A%252ChpxQXp_9wJ-IoM%252C_&usg=__tOiYnEPbXKywWnLjx1V7JlBn11U%3D&biw=1366&bih=659&ved=0ahUKEwi-6t-f_c_NAhWr7YMKHezfDu4QyjcISg&ei=-C51V76OIavbjwTsv7vwDg#tbm=isch&q=black+bottom+cupcakes&imgrc=mqdLm9PcpuSlBM%3A) will be next ☹ ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/4 "2016-06-30T14:43:06Z")
> [@Sahirrnee](#): > > It sucks getting old. Language is changing too fast for me and I can’t keep up anymore. I am hopelessly behind the times and may as well give up. > > I didn’t know that ‘brownies’ is now considered to be a racist term. > > [http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437306/new-jersey-elementary-school-student-brownies](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437306/new-jersey-elementary-school-student-brownies) > > I don’t what we are going to call these > [https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://foodnetwork.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/food/fullset/2012/1/24/2/FNM\_030112-Insert-032-2\_s4x3.jpg.rend.sni18col.landscape.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/articles/50-brownies.html&h=462&w=616&tbnid=pzoScpOBYH9HtM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=213&docid=H7ozww0V797PsM&usg=\_\_xwcSwU6EAFNwHOQ-KAWlKcr8cII=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwsayS-c\_NAhUh8IMKHXbnA0sQ9QEIIjAA](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://foodnetwork.sndimg.com/content/dam/images/food/fullset/2012/1/24/2/FNM_030112-Insert-032-2_s4x3.jpg.rend.sni18col.landscape.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/articles/50-brownies.html&h=462&w=616&tbnid=pzoScpOBYH9HtM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=213&docid=H7ozww0V797PsM&usg=__xwcSwU6EAFNwHOQ-KAWlKcr8cII=&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwsayS-c_NAhUh8IMKHXbnA0sQ9QEIIjAA) > > or these > [https://www.google.com/search?q=brownies+mythical+creatures&tbm=isch&imgil=hAu7t2-JQTAQBM%253A%253BtF0XJLzxPesjYM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Faglayamoroz.blogspot.com%25252F2013%25252F02%25252Ffridays-mythological-creature-of-day.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=hAu7t2-JQTAQBM%253A%252CtF0XJLzxPesjYM%252C\_&usg=\_\_lKhDBuCnXUHX3b4uDu76lxzIwNQ%3D&biw=1366&bih=659&ved=0ahUKEwifueu3-c\_NAhUl64MKHUulDUMQyjcIOA&ei=-Sp1V9\_YE6XWjwTLyraYBA#imgrc=zKpDCttzrlD7gM%3A](https://www.google.com/search?q=brownies+mythical+creatures&tbm=isch&imgil=hAu7t2-JQTAQBM%253A%253BtF0XJLzxPesjYM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Faglayamoroz.blogspot.com%25252F2013%25252F02%25252Ffridays-mythological-creature-of-day.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=hAu7t2-JQTAQBM%253A%252CtF0XJLzxPesjYM%252C_&usg=__lKhDBuCnXUHX3b4uDu76lxzIwNQ%3D&biw=1366&bih=659&ved=0ahUKEwifueu3-c_NAhUl64MKHUulDUMQyjcIOA&ei=-Sp1V9_YE6XWjwTLyraYBA#imgrc=zKpDCttzrlD7gM%3A) > or these > [https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+girl+scout+brownies&tbm=isch&imgil=5AzHEpLYq04biM%253A%253BmSrN3CEV3USppM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.alamitosmarina.org%25252Fbrlinks.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=5AzHEpLYq04biM%253A%252CmSrN3CEV3USppM%252C\_&usg=\_\_\_7GnKTTb5giadUHQ6K2u5QtUKk4%3D&biw=1366&bih=659&ved=0ahUKEwjastyN-s\_NAhVBzoMKHY2FCNEQyjcILQ&ei=rSt1V5qoGsGcjwSNi6KIDQ#imgrc=t5P-T6El-NURLM%3A](https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+girl+scout+brownies&tbm=isch&imgil=5AzHEpLYq04biM%253A%253BmSrN3CEV3USppM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.alamitosmarina.org%25252Fbrlinks.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=5AzHEpLYq04biM%253A%252CmSrN3CEV3USppM%252C_&usg=___7GnKTTb5giadUHQ6K2u5QtUKk4%3D&biw=1366&bih=659&ved=0ahUKEwjastyN-s_NAhVBzoMKHY2FCNEQyjcILQ&ei=rSt1V5qoGsGcjwSNi6KIDQ#imgrc=t5P-T6El-NURLM%3A) Or [these](http://www.brownie-camera.com/47.jpg). I don’t believe the story unfolded the way it’s portrayed in the article. No way. It’s just too ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/5 "2016-06-30T14:46:05Z")
“Brownies” racist? To me, “brownies” contain cannabis. Brownies are safe for the kids to eat, “brownies” not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/6 "2016-06-30T14:50:33Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > “Brownies” racist? > > To me, “brownies” contain cannabis. > > Brownies are safe for the kids to eat, “brownies” not so much. Yeah, actually that’s what this thread was going to be about. ---
**Author:** ![Sahirrnee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sahirrnee/32/13937_2.png) [@Sahirrnee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sahirrnee)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/7 "2016-06-30T14:52:04Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > “Brownies” racist? > > To me, “brownies” contain cannabis. > > Brownies are safe for the kids to eat, “brownies” not so much. But of course, I’m talking about ‘brownies’, not “brownies”. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/8 "2016-06-30T14:53:35Z")
I got kicked out of Cub Scouts for eating brownies. ---
**Author:** ![Sahirrnee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sahirrnee/32/13937_2.png) [@Sahirrnee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sahirrnee)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/9 "2016-06-30T14:56:47Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > Or [these](http://www.brownie-camera.com/47.jpg). I don’t believe the story unfolded the way it’s portrayed in the article. No way. It’s just too ridiculous. One would hope so. One of my friends is calling the school. Don’t know if she will get an answer. ---
**Author:** ![racer72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/racer72/32/3075_2.png) [@racer72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racer72)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/10 "2016-06-30T15:04:41Z")
I heard of a grade school teacher that made her students remove the labels from the black crayons the students brought to school. She did not like the fact the crayons listed the color black in 3 languages, English, Spanish and French. The Spanish word for black is negro. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/11 "2016-06-30T15:13:38Z")
I read 6 different articles and none of them said what was actually said that was the hate crime that led to the police being called. So I can only conclude that it was something completely innocuous and the child/teacher that complained is themselves a racist and was just looking for any reason to be offended so they could call someone else a racist. Fucking SJWs. ---
**Author:** ![brainstall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@brainstall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brainstall)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/12 "2016-06-30T15:26:21Z")
When I was in school, one of my friends called me a cabbage roll in German. I found that hysterically funny and we giggled uncontrollably until the teacher told us to knock it off. I don’t recall the police being called, but maybe not all food products are considered equally racist. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/13 "2016-06-30T15:34:54Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I read 6 different articles and none of them said what was actually said that was the hate crime that led to the police being called. > > So I can only conclude that it was something completely innocuous and the child/teacher that complained is themselves a racist and was just looking for any reason to be offended so they could call someone else a racist. Fucking SJWs. See, I interpreted it as the kid saying something actually really shitty and actually racist and his parents defended it like “oh, he was just talking about the dessert!” ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/14 "2016-06-30T15:40:00Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I read 6 different articles and none of them said what was actually said that was the hate crime that led to the police being called. > > So I can only conclude that it was something completely innocuous I found the lack of information about what was said a bit baffling, too. I didn’t come to the “totally innocuous” conclusion, though. I suspect if it were totally innocuous, it would have been reported, because media loves these hyper-PC over-reaction stories. I think, at best, we simply don’t know and it’s just been a bunch of lazy journalism copying one story after another, as the story seems exactly the same across media outlets. It all just screams shitty reporting to me. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/15 "2016-06-30T15:45:57Z")
This is going to cause a lot of problems in New York City where the traffic police are known as Brownies because of their brown uniforms (which they hate because it makes them readily identifiable as traffic police, the most loathsome denizens of the Big Apple). ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/16 "2016-06-30T15:48:27Z")
> [@first linked article in OP](#): > > …according to both school officials and police, they were told during a May 25 meeting with representatives from the county prosecutor’s office that every little thing that could maybe potentially be considered criminal – even things that Police Chief Kevin Carey called “as minor as a simple name-calling incident” — should be reported to the cops. Pleased to hear that New Jersey’s police resources are finally being used judiciously. I can only assume this indicates that the entire State of New Jersey is completely out of real problems. . ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/17 "2016-06-30T15:51:40Z")
This appears to be the [original article](http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20160629_Why_police_were_called_to_a_South_Jersey_third_grade_class_party.html). It sounds like the school district has implemented an ultra-zero tolerance policy, where not only do any accusations of racism have to be looked into, they’re supposed to call the police and report them to social services as well. That’s what the [philly.com](http://philly.com) article is focusing on, not whether or not anyone really thought ‘brownie’ was racist, but the mere fact another student thought it was meant the school was required to get the police involved. In that article, the district seems to be backpedaling on that requirement: > [@](#): > > Maley (the mayor) said in an interview Tuesday that there had been a “misunderstanding” during the May 25 meeting. But Oswald (the school district superintendent) said the Prosecutor’s Office was shying away from its own instructions. > > “At some point, it seems, they’ve realized that the intent of the MOA that they’re leaning heavily upon is not what they directed us to do,” Oswald said. “It went way above what that MOA says.” ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/18 "2016-06-30T16:00:06Z")
I’ll bet there’s more to this story, and we’ll never find out the rest of it because the school won’t be allowed to go into detail. It’s hard to believe multiple people would agree to take action over a kid talking about snacks. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/19 "2016-06-30T16:41:11Z")
Now any student who wants to get someone else in trouble can claim they heard something racist, and the cops will come. This is a disservice to REAL incidents of racism or anything else where there has to be an intervention. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779/20 "2016-06-30T17:00:20Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > I don’t believe the story unfolded the way it’s portrayed in the article. No way. It’s just too ridiculous. I have major suspicions as well. Notice how the article repeatedly emphasizes that it’s reporting what “allegedly” happened “according to” somebody else. That’s usually a sign that the writer doesn’t believe his sources are telling the truth. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-more-brownies-for-you/758779.md?page=2)