# No, No, No! (November rantings)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [November 1, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385 "2017-11-01T14:48:12Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/161 "2017-11-19T01:09:48Z")

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> [@wolfman](#):
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> Stupid Firefox update version. Why did can’t they leave the reload button on the right side of the bar where Jesus wanted it. Change is evilllllllll!

Right-click on any open space on the bar and pick Customize–you can drag the buttons around if you want to move them.

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**Author:** ![flatlined](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eb9ed0/32.png) [@flatlined](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flatlined)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/162 "2017-11-20T02:47:15Z")

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> [@digs](#):
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> Don’t forget the classic passive-aggressive move: No reply for days, then a 'Sorry, just saw this. Still want those pics? Well, probably not since class starts in twenty minutes. Oops, gotta run, see you there."

And once again, **digs** gives exactly the best advice. Don’t listen to Miss Manners, listen to someone who has that stuff totally down!

Our old, blind cat doesn’t seem to even be able to see shadows anymore. He moves by feel and echolocation. He’s still a happy guy, he eats and purrs and uses the litter box. He can get on our bed and find the sunbeam. No complaints about him.

Buttercup (retired greyhound) has decided that its her life’s work to keep Lucky corralled. Greyhounds are not herding dogs, they are sight hunters. While I did train her to gently catch escaping/hiding cats and return them to me, this behavior is rather unexpected. The sweet little dawg doesn’t really understand the whole herding thing, so she uses her tongue to move Lucky to where she thinks he should be. Once she gets him in a corner, she lays down so that she is blocking him with her body and gives him a bath.

It sounds very sweet and heartwarming, but it ticks Lucky off to no end. He doesn’t want dog spit on his fur and he was getting where he wanted to go before Buttercup got involved.

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**Author:** ![SurrenderDorothy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/surrenderdorothy/32/1221_2.png) [@SurrenderDorothy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SurrenderDorothy)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/163 "2017-11-20T03:28:05Z")

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It’s been a complete wreck of a week and everything sucks and I just want to crawl under the covers and sleep for a year and I have a hundred billion things to get done and I just need one tiny fucking thing to be not total and complete shit.

So I got gelato. Mint chocolate chip.

And the motherfucking top won’t unscrew, no matter how hard I try. I can’t access my gelato.

I hate everything and I want to cry.

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**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/164 "2017-11-20T03:32:35Z")

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> [@flatlined](#):
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> And once again, **digs** gives exactly the best advice. Don’t listen to Miss Manners, listen to someone who has that stuff totally down!

[bows, humbly but contentedly]

> [@](#):
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> Our old, blind cat doesn’t seem to even be able to see shadows anymore. He moves by feel and echolocation. He’s still a happy guy, he eats and purrs and uses the litter box. He can get on our bed and find the sunbeam. No complaints about him.

We have a blind dog who’s also “a wee bit tetched in th’ haid”. But he’s fine with it, and if we don’t have a spare ten minutes to watch him try to find the door by trial and error, he doesn’t mind getting scooped up for a ride outside.

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**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/165 "2017-11-20T03:43:34Z")

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> [@SurrenderDorothy](#):
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> It’s been a complete wreck of a week and everything sucks and I just want to crawl under the covers and sleep for a year and I have a hundred billion things to get done and I just need one tiny fucking thing to be not total and complete shit.
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> So I got gelato. Mint chocolate chip.
> 
> And the motherfucking top won’t unscrew, no matter how hard I try. I can’t access my gelato.
> 
> I hate everything and I want to cry.

Is it Talenti? Because I, too, have mint chocolate chip gelato with a motherfucking top that won’t unscrew

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**Author:** ![SurrenderDorothy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/surrenderdorothy/32/1221_2.png) [@SurrenderDorothy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SurrenderDorothy)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/166 "2017-11-20T04:59:02Z")

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Yes it is. I finally got into it by sticking the spoon up under the rim and coaxing it open. I am no less crabby, but have at least now had some gelato.

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**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/167 "2017-11-20T05:54:19Z")

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It was the first really cold morning today. The first time I really wanted a fire in the fire place. So, I knew the flue was clean, the firewood ready, the kindling the right size. I even got the long matches last week. Got the fire going, I was happily warming my toes and drinking coffee. Cats came to investigate the nice warm feeling, purring and washing. Next chapter, log turned it self over and there was a loud pop from the fire. Cat 1 jumped landed sideways on top of Cat 2. Therefore causing Cat 2 to jump up and knocked my coffee from my hand to my leg. I have on flannel lounge pants, I can’t stand up fast enough to get them down. Chap.3, I now have large red splotch on my leg, that looks like it will blister up. Thanks kitties, I have had a lovely Sunday, thank God it is nearly over.

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**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/168 "2017-11-20T06:57:09Z")

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> [@Dr.Girlfriend](#):
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> Normally flowers don’t bother me. Even on Valentine’s Day when 75% of the desks have bouquets on them the smell doesn’t affect me at all. Something about these devil flowers though… I don’t know what kind they are, I didn’t get close enough. They’re white, that’s all I know.

White? The bouquet may include [lilies](https://www.google.be/search?q=azucena&rlz=1C1GGRV_esFR751FR751&tbm=isch&source=iu&pf=m&ictx=1&fir=KfdCMx-IWLwt8M%253A%252CwTOTSkPujWyd-M%252C_&usg=__On6A4sR5Om4bAzcmLhL1KI_5ey0%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwixwICtyczXAhVEtxoKHebtDPYQ_h0IdzAL#imgrc=KfdCMx-IWLwt8M:). They’re such a common allergy trigger that many stores have taken to selling them depollinized.

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**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/169 "2017-11-20T12:49:31Z")

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> [@SurrenderDorothy](#):
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> It’s been a complete wreck of a week and everything sucks and I just want to crawl under the covers and sleep for a year and I have a hundred billion things to get done and I just need one tiny fucking thing to be not total and complete shit.
> 
> So I got gelato. Mint chocolate chip.
> 
> And the motherfucking top won’t unscrew, no matter how hard I try. I can’t access my gelato.
> 
> I hate everything and I want to cry.

> [@Green\_Bean](#):
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> Is it Talenti? Because I, too, have mint chocolate chip gelato with a motherfucking top that won’t unscrew

> [@SurrenderDorothy](#):
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> Yes it is. I finally got into it by sticking the spoon up under the rim and coaxing it open. I am no less crabby, but have at least now had some gelato.

I hope the start of a new week improves things, **Surrender** , but at least you got some gelato. I hate it when inanimate objects won’t cooperate. I have never bought Talenti gelato and now I know I won’t. There must be other brands. I know! We can all get together and fly to Italy!

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**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/170 "2017-11-20T13:58:59Z")

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> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> The big bar at the top of screen keeps distracting me.

The stupid flashing “loading bar” style animation on the tabs is annoying as hell. Every time I click a link, I get to see my tab flash color.

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**Author:** ![Dr.Girlfriend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.girlfriend/32/193_2.png) [@Dr.Girlfriend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Girlfriend)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/171 "2017-11-21T00:24:58Z")

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> [@Nava](#):
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> White? The bouquet may include [lilies](https://www.google.be/search?q=azucena&rlz=1C1GGRV_esFR751FR751&tbm=isch&source=iu&pf=m&ictx=1&fir=KfdCMx-IWLwt8M%253A%252CwTOTSkPujWyd-M%252C_&usg=__On6A4sR5Om4bAzcmLhL1KI_5ey0%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwixwICtyczXAhVEtxoKHebtDPYQ_h0IdzAL#imgrc=KfdCMx-IWLwt8M:). They’re such a common allergy trigger that many stores have taken to selling them depollinized.

I’m pretty sure there were lilies in the bouquet. I didn’t get that close because of the smell but that would explain a lot. I learned something today, I didn’t realize that lilies were that bad an allergy trigger. Thank God she took them home over the weekend… the air would have been totally polluted if she hadn’t.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/172 "2017-11-21T00:32:01Z")

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> [@Catamount](#):
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> People who cook fish in office break room microwaves should be condemned to eat nothing but surströmming and hákarl for the next five weeks while they sit in solitary confinement.

Can we put those who burn microwave popcorn into that hell, also?

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**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/173 "2017-11-21T00:50:30Z")

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Re: Firefox 57 – I MISS MY TAB GROUPS, DAMMIT. :mad: This feature was dropped from Firefox many, many updates ago, but there were several good extensions that picked up the slack. Now it’s impossible for these extensions to work because of the browser’s improvements.

> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Can we put those who burn microwave popcorn into that hell, also?

How about the ones who burn it, then pour it in bowls and share it throughout the office? \>.\< I have no idea how they manage to eat it.

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**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/174 "2017-11-21T01:34:54Z")

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My roommate is unable to make microwave popcorn without burning it. Luckily she doesn’t make it often.

I’ve never burnt microwave popcorn (I just press the “popcorn” button on the microwave,) but I also haven’t made it at this particular apartment.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/175 "2017-11-21T02:58:47Z")

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> [@EmilyG](#):
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> My roommate is unable to make microwave popcorn without burning it. Luckily she doesn’t make it often.
> 
> I’ve never burnt microwave popcorn (I just press the “popcorn” button on the microwave,) but I also haven’t made it at this particular apartment.

It is simple. Just underset the time, then when it dings, set for another minute and remove as soon as the popping noise slows down. You can’t walk away, really.

Unless you use the popcorn setting, that does often work.

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**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/176 "2017-11-21T03:53:14Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> It is simple. Just underset the time, then when it dings, set for another minute and remove as soon as the popping noise slows down. You can’t walk away, really.

Which, along with using a cover, is also what you should do to avoid stinking up anything with fish, curry…

Oh, and I’d like to add to the list of “people who shouldn’t be allowed near a collective microwave” those who don’t know the difference between cooking (which you should have done at home) and warming up (which is what the canteen microwave is for).

I’m starting to think I’ve had this particular raid leader before in a different game; nationality, country of residence and personality fit. Or there could be more than one of them, of course. He makes “I’ll allow you to come to a raid” sound as if he’s doing you the most enormous favor ever (I happen to know we’re having problems filling raids), you ask him what kind of classes/setups would be of interest and he gives you a single option, he gives you the wrong information and then laughs at you when you follow it and claims there’s no way he would have said that (I’d confirmed it, repeatedly)… I don’t think I’ll do it right now since anyway we’re going into Hibernation Season, but once I start to wake back up I reckon I’ll start looking for another guild. Preferably one where the raid leader isn’t a jerk.

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**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/177 "2017-11-21T16:11:38Z")

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We got invited to a relative’s house for Thanksgiving this year. She’s far from my favorite in law, but okay – nice of her to invite us, nice of her to host and all that. I’m to bring a side dish, rolls, and a pie, fine.

Just now she called me, all giggly. “Did I remember to tell you it’s going to be vegan?” ☹

Well, no, you didn’t. We last ate together at a steak house over the summer, and neither you or your husband were vegans then. So I started asking her when they’d changed while mentally reshuffling plans. I mean, I make pie crust with lard as the good lord intends, and pumpkin is no doubt vegan but eggs and milk certainly aren’t. So apple crumble pie, maybe? And aren’t there a bunch of things vegans avoid that don’t even seem like meat to most people?

And it comes out, no, they aren’t vegan. And neither are the other couple she’d invited. So why???

As best I can tell, she thinks it’s the latest style or trend or something. Sustainable living, friend of the Earth, whatever. It’s a harvest festival so it should be plants you harvest not animals you raise or hunt. She read all about it on some web page, and there was an entire menu and the recipes for them. Oh, the main course? It’s a whole head of cauliflower cooked in a pressure cooker and then doused with a vegan fake cheese sauce. \<shudder\> Isn’t that going to be cauliflower mush with a white goo that tastes somewhat but not really like cheese???

And no offense to any real vegans, but the idea of an entire ‘feast’ full of dishes made for the first time by someone who actually isn’t all that goodat dishes she has made her whole life let alone using a bunch of ingredients she’s never touched before…

So, which is less rude?

Call her back and say we will bring along some extra dishes of ‘normal’ food for ourselves (and anyone else who wants to share in it)? Maybe spaghetti with some tomato/mushroom sauce? That would be vegan enough, I think. (Especially for six non-vegans.)

Show up with only what we were assigned, and plan on just mostly shuffling the unappealing stuff around on the plate? (No way is my hubby going to eat cauliflower mush. Trust me.) I guess the vegetable dishes will probably be okay, and there should be squash and potatoes? Plus my pie and rolls – crap, no butter. Is margarine vegan?

Wait until Thursday morning and break the news one of us has come down with something that is probably contagious? (But that would leave her without rolls and pies, not fair to the other couple. I wonder if they know what’s in store for them?)

Or just call her back right now, and tell her the truth? That sorry, things have changed, and we’ll be eating elsewhere?

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/178 "2017-11-21T16:15:20Z")

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> [@StarvingButStrong](#):
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> Or just call her back right now, and tell her the truth? That sorry, things have changed, and we’ll be eating elsewhere?

Yep. Tell her you are not interested in a vegan “feast”. Otherwise who knows what she will pull next time?

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/179 "2017-11-21T16:30:33Z")

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I’d call back now and let her know that I need more than two days notice to decide if I even want to join in an experience such as hers, and that the side dish I’m bringing is going to be a (stuffed) roast turkey, and if the invitation is still extended under those conditions, I’ll see you Thursday.

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**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-no-november-rantings/800385/180 "2017-11-21T17:21:26Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Yep. Tell her you are not interested in a vegan “feast”. Otherwise who knows what she will pull next time?

It’s not actually that I object to eating vegan for a meal – I actually had a vegetarian Thanksgiving one year back when I was in college. At least, I think it may have been, it was Indian food and I’m not sure exactly what all I ate, except that almost all of it was very good.

But that was people cooking food they knew how to make for people who’d been invited to have it, not someone with a bubble-headed notion springing it on unsuspecting people.

And I think the American Thanksgiving ‘standard’ menu is well-enough established that you should give people notice when you invite them if the entire meal is going to be different from what they’d expect. Not details of each dish or recipe. Go ahead and sub mac ‘n’ cheese for stuffing, or succotash for green beans, whatever, but just say “We’re going to do ham this year” or “a goose” or pasta or seafood or whatever.

Heck, I could deal with it if she decided to do just soup and bread or an ice cream sundae buffet instead of a full meal – just let people know when you invite them.

> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> I’d call back now and let her know that I need more than two days notice to decide if I even want to join in an experience such as hers, and that the side dish I’m bringing is going to be a (stuffed) roast turkey, and if the invitation is still extended under those conditions, I’ll see you Thursday.

LOL! I love the idea of the turkey ‘side dish’! But I wouldn’t ever do that. It’s her house, her rules. If she wants a vegan meal, that’s her privilege. Just… don’t have people commit to one thing and then swap it to something entirely other. Maybe I’d say yes to going kayaking, but I’d totally refuse if it turned into mountain climbing at the last moment.

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