# No, no, please no: Tebow **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570 "2011-10-23T20:14:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/181 "2011-10-31T22:55:12Z")
Warner didn’t wear bible verses in his eye black during the biggest college football games of the past few years. Tebow plays close to Colorado Springs, CO which is the home of many of the largest right wing Christian groups. Also, during the Greatest Show on Turf, there was a lot less of the 24 hour media frenzy that we have today. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/182 "2011-10-31T23:25:00Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > AsI’ve said before, there have been MANY successful pro athletes who have been very public and vocal about their Christian faith. That HASN’T always made them insanely popular with Christian fans, nor has it automatically made them objects of mockery among non-believers. I’m all for spreading the mockery among other obnoxiously Jesus/self-promoting athletes (or at least getting the complacent sports media to ask some tough questions). Take Albert (my-power-stroke-is-due-to-God) Pujols who just said (regarding the negotiations for his next mega-deal) “I am going to be prayerful about it.” Uh yeah, he’ll be praying that a team offers him lots more money than St. Louis already did. Or will God advise Albert that it’s not critical to be the highest-paid baseball player of all time, and instead to be loyal to Cardinals fans for less dough? I would’ve thought God had a few more important things on His plate, but time will tell. ---
**Author:** ![divemaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/divemaster/32/78_2.png) [@divemaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/divemaster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/183 "2011-11-01T00:47:12Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I don’t get the love but as far as i know Warner didn’t do a superbowl ad campaign for a hate group. You keep saying that over and over. We get it–you don’t agree with their views. There’s a lot of people I don’t agree with without playing the “hate group” card. Maybe if you had said it once…but geeze,fix that broken record, dude. > [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > It’s not a hate group. The [Southern Poverty Law Center](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_on_the_Family#SPLC.27s_findings) doesn’t even refer to it as such. You are free of course to hold your own opinion on the matter (as you do), but just because you say it doesn’t make it so. We ought to create a Macro. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/184 "2011-11-01T00:55:18Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Wow. YMMV indeed. This is one of the most befuddling points of view I’ve read in a time. It’s _absolutely_ about his branding. His branding is the only reason that spot meant anything at all. It wasn’t some random YouTube video, it was a bloody Super Bowl ad. Yeah, the content was superficially a promo for religion and the pro-life lobby, but you’re incredibly naive if you don’t think his agent had numerous conversations with him about how this would ingratiate him to his base and build his brand. Tebow was marketing himself every step of the way and it absolutely was intended to bolster his ability to sell himself and command advertising deals in the future, it’s about Q rating. We can quibble about what proportion of it was that and what proportion was about the religious message, but it’s indisputably about both in some degrees. That the message was so obtuse and wishy-washy, while he was clearly spotlighted front an center tends to favor the view that it mostly about him. It’s like he wanted to come out and attack abortion but his handlers reeled him in and toned it down to spare his image and better position him to the centrists. > > Tebow was a famous football player. He bought a Super Bowl ad to become a famous person with a reach beyond just sports. That is about him selling products. Some will be cars, insurance and jerseys. Some will be political points of view, proselytizing and the Tebow way. That ad was no less about building his “brand” than LeBron’s “Decision” was about building his brand. Both were ostensibly about something else, but everyone who’s ever even been tangentially associated with the Marketing industry knows that that was the vehicle to serve a larger purpose. Horseshit. Unless you are possessed of some mind-reading powers, you’re projecting your assumptions onto the kid with zero evidence. Brady Quinn had TV commercials – the kind that paid money – as a rookie. So did Reggie Bush. If Tebow is trying to maximize his endorsements, he’s doing a poor job. ---
**Author:** ![quixotic78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3ab097/32.png) [@quixotic78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quixotic78)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/185 "2011-11-01T01:46:28Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Horseshit. Unless you are possessed of some mind-reading powers, you’re projecting your assumptions onto the kid with zero evidence. Yeah, stupid Omni. Don’t you know that when people want to be low-key, they take out Superbowl ads? > [@](#): > > Brady Quinn had TV commercials – the kind that paid money – as a rookie. So did Reggie Bush. If Tebow is trying to maximize his endorsements, he’s doing a poor job. Tebow has commercials, too, besides his pro-life one. What, exactly, is your point? That he’s cashing in at a level equal to Brady Quinn? If so… ummm… well, as I said, what, exactly, is your point? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/186 "2011-11-01T02:07:16Z")
> [@divemaster](#): > > You keep saying that over and over. We get it–you don’t agree with their views. There’s a lot of people I don’t agree with without playing the “hate group” card. Maybe if you had said it once…but geeze,fix that broken record, dude. How are they not a hate group? And i keep repeating it because people continue to ask the same question over and over. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/187 "2011-11-01T02:18:26Z")
> [@quixotic78](#): > > Yeah, stupid Omni. Don’t you know that when people want to be low-key, they take out Superbowl ads? > > Tebow has commercials, too, besides his pro-life one. What, exactly, is your point? That he’s cashing in at a level equal to Brady Quinn? If so… ummm… well, as I said, what, exactly, is your point? I think it’s pretty easy to follow what his point is. If Tebow was motivated by nothing other than personal branding, he would behave differently from how he currently behaves. There are things he could do to “build his brand” that would be more effective and would not involve controversial Super Bowl commercials, which a reasonable agent almost definitely would have tried to talk him out of from a business perspective. Tebow was a big enough deal and a marketable enough property to the average football fan that he probably cashed in marketability to run that ad, rather than gaining marketability from it. Therefore, his Super Bowl commercial was not about letting him gain personal stature, and it’s not an apt criticism to claim that he took the ad out for reasons other than what it would appear to have been on the surface - a grating but sincere sales pitch on behalf of his particular brand of religious anti-humanism. Full disclosure - I added the last bit; I don’t know if that part was his point. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/188 "2011-11-01T02:23:22Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Brady Quinn had TV commercials – the kind that paid money – as a rookie. So did Reggie Bush. Tebow was not a rookie when he made that commercial. Hell, he hadn’t even been drafted yet. How many players have done that? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/189 "2011-11-01T02:42:21Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Tebow was not a rookie when he made that commercial. Hell, he hadn’t even been drafted yet. How many players have done that? None, but I think it may be because he won the Heisman as a sophomore. He was the first one to do that, and consequently he got fame early. Maybe too early. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/190 "2011-11-01T03:18:22Z")
Tonight on ESPN’s pregame to MNF the panel did a pretty good job of dissecting the issue. They seemed to be trying to be careful not to pile on. To me, the most pertinent point was that it was pointed out that when Tebow was initially listed as 3rd on the QB depth chart he did or said nothing to quiet those that saw him as the savior. He wasn’t ready. He wasn’t ready and he should have known that but did nothing for the “team” to quell any controversy. Tebow’s ego and ambition far outweigh his actual ability at this point. Apparently, he doesn’t have the patience to learn and play second string in order to learn the craft. Be careful of what you ask for, you just might get it. Right now, he is being exposed and in the long run that can cost him, big time. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/191 "2011-11-01T03:34:51Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Tonight on ESPN’s pregame to MNF the panel did a pretty good job of dissecting the issue. They seemed to be trying to be careful not to pile on. To me, the most pertinent point was that it was pointed out that when Tebow was initially listed as 3rd on the QB depth chart he did or said nothing to quiet those that saw him as the savior. He wasn’t ready. He wasn’t ready and he should have known that but did nothing for the “team” to quell any controversy. > > Tebow’s ego and ambition far outweigh his actual ability at this point. Apparently, he doesn’t have the patience to learn and play second string in order to learn the craft. Be careful of what you ask for, you just might get it. Right now, he is being exposed and in the long run that can cost him, big time. Ah boy. At the rate I’m starting to take his side here I’m going to be buying his jersey by this time next week. This is a complete misrepresentation of how Tebow acted as a backup. [Tebow said Thursday that while he’s honored his fans are cheering for him to take over as the Denver Broncos’ quarterback, he trusts his coach and will bide his time without complaint.](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6974381/tim-tebow-thanks-fans-support-says-wait-turn-complaint) > [@](#): > > “So, when I get those opportunities, I want to make the most of them,” he said. “But when I don’t get those opportunities, I’ve got to be the best leader and the best supporter and the best teammate that I can be.” Besides which I’m sure the experts would totally have commended Tebow if, after being named the starter by his head coach, the first round pick at quarterback had demurred and suggested somebody else take the field and try to win the game. I’m sure that wouldn’t have ended in him getting pilloried as soft, a quitter and a loser. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/192 "2011-11-01T04:10:15Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Ah boy. At the rate I’m starting to take his side here I’m going to be buying his jersey by this time next week. This is a complete misrepresentation of how Tebow acted as a backup. > > [Tebow said Thursday that while he’s honored his fans are cheering for him to take over as the Denver Broncos’ quarterback, he trusts his coach and will bide his time without complaint.](http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6974381/tim-tebow-thanks-fans-support-says-wait-turn-complaint) > Besides which I’m sure the experts would totally have commended Tebow if, after being named the starter by his head coach, the first round pick at quarterback had demurred and suggested somebody else take the field and try to win the game. I’m sure that wouldn’t have ended in him getting pilloried as soft, a quitter and a loser. Problem is, he’s not ready, not an NFL caliber QB and all his flaws got exposed. The first round pick was what flummoxed everyone. No way is this guy a first round pick. A project, maybe, but not a worthy of wasting a high pick. The coaches bowed to fan pressure but not because they thought he was ready. Buy his jersey. It will probably eventually end up on the back of some kid in Africa. Just wondering, were you a Gerry Faust slappy? It all sounds the familiar. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/193 "2011-11-01T05:14:00Z")
If I’m supposed to know what “slappy” means, I’m sorry to disappoint you. But none of that has anything to do with the original point you made, which wasn’t true, which was why I pointed out that it wasn’t true. Pointing out that Tebow isn’t good doesn’t suddenly make that invented criticism about his “ambition” an accurate one. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/194 "2011-11-01T05:17:12Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Tonight on ESPN’s pregame to MNF the panel did a pretty good job of dissecting the issue. They seemed to be trying to be careful not to pile on. To me, the most pertinent point was that it was pointed out that when Tebow was initially listed as 3rd on the QB depth chart he did or said nothing to quiet those that saw him as the savior. He wasn’t ready. He wasn’t ready and he should have known that but did nothing for the “team” to quell any controversy. Anytime you’re nodding with approval to something Keyshawn Johnson says, you need to assess yourself. Tebow \*repeatedly \*affirmed that the decision was the coaches’ and that he respected that. He has said all the right things, every time. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/195 "2011-11-01T06:25:05Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Anytime you’re nodding with approval to something Keyshawn Johnson says, you need to assess yourself. > > Tebow \*repeatedly \*affirmed that the decision was the coaches’ and that he respected that. He has said all the right things, every time. It was what the whole panel said and affirmed. It’s not about the past week, it’s about the whole season. Apparently, he did nothing to dissuade those that were blindly promoting him. He wasn’t pressuring the coaches and the organization, the idiot fans were. He could have said something to get rid of the controversy but he didn’t. He was milking his notoriety. He didn’t think “team”, he thought Tebow. Fine, make your bed and lay in it. We’ll see how this works out but it doesn’t look good. Check back. The way it’s going Denver will get a high draft pick and select a real QB. ---
**Author:** ![TheonX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ed8c4c/32.png) [@TheonX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheonX)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/196 "2011-11-01T07:23:23Z")
I didn’t see the MNF pregame, but I can’t believe you are accurately describing what they said. It is the coaches job to assess talent, and the players job to be ready to implement whatever the coaches tell him to do. This idea that it is Tebow’s job to tell his fans to stop pressuring John Fox is _insane_. I have been solidly “anti” Tebow so far, but as a back up quarter back he has done his job to perfection. Was ready in relief, said all the right words during the confusion of who would start, and was even willing to run a few gimmick plays as a non quarterback. His only flaw is that he might not be a very good quarterback. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/197 "2011-11-01T12:11:54Z")
> [@TheonX](#): > > His only flaw is that he might not be a very good quarterback. This reminds me of John 8:7 (King James version): “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone. For lo, that stone shall be a pick six” ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/198 "2011-11-01T12:31:48Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > It was what the whole panel said and affirmed. It’s not about the past week, it’s about the whole season. Because the people on ESPN are grinning idiots and a mutual affirmation society. It’s a lie. > [@](#): > > Apparently, he did nothing to dissuade those that were blindly promoting him. He wasn’t pressuring the coaches and the organization, the idiot fans were. He could have said something to get rid of the controversy but he didn’t. He was milking his notoriety. See the quote above, or these. [“I guess I appreciate the support,” Tebow said, “but we’ve got people in charge here that we trust and trust they’re going to do the right thing in doing a good job.”](http://www.maxdenver.com/news/2011/09/15/tebow-to-billboard-supporters-give-the-cash-to-charity/) [“What kind of character does it show to wish failure on someone? I want him to do well and I want to do well. I just want to get better,” he says.](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/08/01/broncos-quarterbacks/index.html#ixzz1cSKRkykc) Claims he was undermining Orton are either ignorant or deliberately dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/199 "2011-11-01T14:23:39Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Problem is, he’s not ready, not an NFL caliber QB and all his flaws got exposed. He’s effectively a rookie. Newsflash: rookies suck. In his first five starts, Tebow has 7 passing touchdowns, 4 picks, a 6.7 average per attempt, and ~1,000 passing yards. He also has a horrible 48% completion rate, but you can’t say anything about Tebow that you can’t say about almost any quarterback after his first five starts. Josh Freeman’s numbers after five starts: 1098 yards, 7 touchdowns, 10 picks, 6.7 YPA, 54% completion rate. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/200 "2011-11-01T14:29:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > He’s effectively a rookie. Newsflash: rookies suck. Cam Newton and Andy Dalton respectfully disagree. Newton’s stats this year: 60.6% completion percentage, 8.3 yards per attempt, 11 TD, 9 INT (plus whatever he’s doing running the ball). Dalton’s stats: 62.4% completion percentatge, 6.8 yards per attempt, 9 TD, 7 INT. Neither of them are in the Brees / Rodgers / Brady neighborhood, but they don’t suck, either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570.md?page=11)