# No, no, please no: Tebow **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570 "2011-10-23T20:14:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/21 "2011-10-24T00:14:03Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > And I’m sick and goddamn tired of the haters blasting the guy. He’s a good kid, sincerely religious, and an excellent role model. You aren’t going to read about Tebow getting arrested for beating a woman, driving drunk, being involved with dog fighting, or any of the other crap some popular pro athletes do. High bar you’ve got there. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/22 "2011-10-24T00:19:23Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > High bar you’ve got there. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/23 "2011-10-24T00:30:33Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > And I’m sick and goddamn tired of the haters blasting the guy. He’s a good kid, sincerely religious, and an excellent role model. You aren’t going to read about Tebow getting arrested for beating a woman, driving drunk, being involved with dog fighting, or any of the other crap some popular pro athletes do. There are 200 other guys in the NFL that fall into the same category. One is his teammate Champ Bailey, who is a 10 time Pro Bowler and a six time All Pro. I heard nothing about Champ Bailey after today’s game. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/24 "2011-10-24T00:42:02Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > There are 200 other guys in the NFL that fall into the same category. One is his teammate Champ Bailey, who is a 10 time Pro Bowler and a six time All Pro. I heard nothing about Champ Bailey after today’s game. It isn’t Tebow’s fault. I admit to have very little regard for his cult following and I think he’s a medicore NFL quarterback, but I think he’s a good kid who isn’t to blame for the fanatics that follow him. It’s not like he’s pretending to be an evangelical to get the support of the unthinking masses. If I thought he was to blame for the hype (like say T.O. or OchoCinco), I’d join in condemning him, but I think he’s being true to himself (no matter how much I dislike it). ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/25 "2011-10-24T01:11:58Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > It isn’t Tebow’s fault. I agree. I don’t think Tebow is all that, and in baseball he’d probably be called “replacement player value”, but he’s not trying to grab the limelight. Earlier this year some Broncos fans put up a billboard encouraging the coach to start Tebow, and when Tebow was asked about it his response was in so many words “Tell them to take the sign down, Coach is going to start who’s best for the team.” This isn’t a guy on the depth chart crying “Start me or trade me.” I don’t now if Tebow is going to be any good, but I’ve heard a lot of people on the internets (mostly on [Fark.com](http://Fark.com) and other low-rent places) say they’re absolutely sure he’ll fail. Of course these are mostly the same people who said Michael Vick couldn’t make a comeback, Cam Newton wasn’t fit to start as QB, Rex Grossman sucked (well, OK I suppose that last one is largely true), and if they’d been around when Tom Brady started playing they would have said he couldn’t make it either. There seems to be no metric as to who is going to be a good QB in the NFL and who won’t. Just ask Ryan Leaf. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/26 "2011-10-24T01:19:01Z")
I never said it was Tebow’s fault. He really seems like a likeable guy. It’s his freaking sycophants that drive me nuts. Booing Kyle Orton, putting up billboards in Denver, flooding every talk show with ridiculous praise, etc. I wouldn’t blame him at all if he started cranking out books and licensing his likeness to Thomas Kinkaide to make incredibly cheesy paintings. Take the idiots money. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/27 "2011-10-24T01:24:28Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > There seems to be no metric as to who is going to be a good QB in the NFL and who won’t. Just ask Ryan Leaf. I agree with everything you said, except that. Leaf was an asshole with a piss poor work ethic who blamed everybody else. He missed mandatory meetings, got into fights with fans, and badmouthed his own teammates. That’s a metric. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/28 "2011-10-24T02:10:52Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’m just sick and tired of hearing about how he’s the second coming of Jesus Christ. That’s all you hear on ESPN and Versus and Fox Sports News. It’s like, I’m tired of hearing about Tim fucking Tebow! Enough already! I feel that way about Andrew Luck and he isn’t even in the fucking NFL yet. ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/29 "2011-10-24T02:53:32Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > And I’m sick and goddamn tired of the haters blasting the guy. He’s a good kid, sincerely religious, and an excellent role model. You aren’t going to read about Tebow getting arrested for beating a woman, driving drunk, being involved with dog fighting, or any of the other crap some popular pro athletes do. At least not before his sixth concussion. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/30 "2011-10-24T04:08:35Z")
Look, Tebow is a genuinely nice guy, and he deserves most of the good things that come his way. He has a shit ton of fans because he’s good looking and interesting. It happens. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’m just sick and tired of hearing about how he’s the second coming of Jesus Christ. That’s all you hear on ESPN and Versus and Fox Sports News. It’s like, I’m tired of hearing about Tim fucking Tebow! Enough already! Talk to me when you move to Florida. > [@Oakminster](#): > > And I’m sick and goddamn tired of the haters blasting the guy. He’s a good kid, sincerely religious, and an excellent role model. So is Danny Wuerffel. Tebow might be lots better than Danny Wuerffel, but he hasn’t actually done anything in the NFL yet. [QUOTE=Mosier] Jesus, this guy can’t catch a break. Every time he wins, everyone comes out to say “yeah, but…” [/QUOTE] He played an _atrocious_ game today. On the other hand, when he starts losing, I’ll be perfectly happy to come out and say, “yeah, but he plays for the Broncos. It’s not his fault.” ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/31 "2011-10-24T04:12:06Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > So is Danny Wuerffel. Tebow might be lots better than Danny Wuerffel, but he hasn’t actually done anything in the NFL yet. I didn’t say he has. I do say he has done absolutely nothing to deserved being called “a despicable human being and a force of evil.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/32 "2011-10-24T04:27:07Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I didn’t say he has. I do say he has done absolutely nothing to deserved being called “a despicable human being and a force of evil.” For what it’s worth, I don’t think Tebow’s evil, just over-exposed. And: > [@](#): > > He’s a good kid, sincerely religious, and an excellent role model. Except for the “kid” part, the same could be said about MY favorite player, Troy Polamalu. Although he’ll fuck your shit up if you get in his way. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/33 "2011-10-24T06:32:21Z")
> [@spazurek](#): > > But Tim Tebow is a despicable human being and a force of evil. Jeez. I’m an atheist, and I think religious people are delusional at best, but come on. He seems like a decent guy, and he has a right to express his opinions. And no, I’m not a fan of his, or of the Broncos. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/34 "2011-10-24T06:37:46Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > You aren’t going to read about Tebow getting arrested for beating a woman, driving drunk, being involved with dog fighting, or any of the other crap some popular pro athletes do. And now you’re going too far the other way. He seems like a decent guy, but neither you nor I know how sincere he is, and we certainly don’t know that religious belief keeps you from beating your wife or whatever. In some cases, fanatical religious belief is indeed responsible for despicable acts, such as denying children proper medical care. I have no idea whether he is phony, sincere, or fanatical. And I can’t predict the future. I doubt that you differ from me in either respect. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/35 "2011-10-24T13:58:23Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I didn’t say he has. I do say he has done absolutely nothing to deserved being called “a despicable human being and a force of evil.” True, though anyone who does a TV spot for Focus on the Family displays poor judgment at best (although the Super Bowl ad itself turned out to be pretty innocuous). [QUOTE=brocks] He seems like a decent guy, but neither you nor I know how sincere he is, and we certainly don’t know that religious belief keeps you from beating your wife or whatever. [/QUOTE] I know several people who knew him at UF, all of whom say he’s just as nice in person as he appears to be. Some of them are Gator boosters, so perhaps that should be taken with a grain of salt, but none of those people have had a problem saying which players were assholes. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/36 "2011-10-24T14:06:18Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > And I’m sick and goddamn tired of the haters blasting the guy. He’s a good kid, sincerely religious, and an excellent role model. You aren’t going to read about Tebow getting arrested for beating a woman, driving drunk, being involved with dog fighting, or any of the other crap some popular pro athletes do. No, you cannot be a “good kid” or an “excellent role model” when you use your fame to promote and advance despicable views. Let Vick star in commercials advocating dog fighting and you can begin to put them in the same sentence. And “sincerely religious” is most certainly not something i consider a good quality. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/37 "2011-10-24T14:18:06Z")
> [@brocks](#): > > I have no idea whether he is phony, sincere, or fanatical. Of course not. But I’ve seen no evidence he’s not sincere, and a lot of evidence to indicate he is. So I’ll err on the side of the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/38 "2011-10-24T14:18:48Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > No, you cannot be a “good kid” or an “excellent role model” when you use your fame to promote and advance despicable views. Let Vick star in commercials advocating dog fighting and you can begin to put them in the same sentence. And “sincerely religious” is most certainly not something i consider a good quality. So in other words, people that disagree with you suck. Brilliant. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/39 "2011-10-24T14:21:04Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So in other words, people that disagree with you suck. Brilliant. People who promote evil views suck, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/40 "2011-10-24T14:43:23Z")
He didn’t promote an evil view in the Super Bowl ad; at worst, he basically said “try not to have an abortion”. I don’t think anyone really has a problem with that; even the most fanatically pro-choice people, myself included, don’t think abortion should be everyone’s first option. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570.md?page=3)