# No, no, please no: Tebow **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [October 23, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570 "2011-10-23T20:14:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/121 "2011-10-27T14:07:12Z")
> [@spazurek](#): > > …anyone who tells me I’m a bad person for my beliefs is a jerk. You just broke my unintentional irony meter. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/122 "2011-10-27T14:07:57Z")
> [@spazurek](#): > > – anyone who tells me I’m a bad person for my beliefs is a jerk. Hmmmm… I think I spot a contradiction here… ---
**Author:** ![spazurek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@spazurek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spazurek)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/123 "2011-10-27T16:41:38Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You just broke my unintentional irony meter. Y’all do get the difference between _holding_ obnoxious beliefs and _preaching_ obnoxious beliefs, right? The former is a reality of life - some people are dumb. The latter is destructive and worthy of scorn. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/124 "2011-10-27T17:05:13Z")
Sure, I’ll buy that. What obnoxious beliefs has Tebow been preaching? ---
**Author:** ![spazurek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@spazurek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spazurek)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/125 "2011-10-27T17:42:15Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Sure, I’ll buy that. What obnoxious beliefs has Tebow been preaching? On this point we clearly will have to agree to disagree, no need to rehash. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/126 "2011-10-27T18:07:45Z")
> [@spazurek](#): > > “Impeccable character” my ass – anyone who tells me I’m a bad person for my beliefs is a jerk. Yet you are free to say Tebow is a bad person for his beliefs? Your “preaching” distinction is laughable. You are preaching with this very thread. Also, please note that you are not the ultimate arbiter of what is and is not an obnoxious belief. The overwhelming majority of the country has some level of religious belief. Quite a few people find militant atheism to be obnoxious–including me, and I am an atheist. ---
**Author:** ![spazurek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@spazurek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spazurek)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/127 "2011-10-27T19:01:48Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Yet you are free to say Tebow is a bad person for his beliefs? > > Your “preaching” distinction is laughable. You are preaching with this very thread. > > Also, please note that you are not the ultimate arbiter of what is and is not an obnoxious belief. The overwhelming majority of the country has some level of religious belief. Quite a few people find militant atheism to be obnoxious–including me, and I am an atheist. Tebow is not a bad person for his beliefs. An idiot, but not a bad person. (Ok maybe kind of bad because his beliefs lead him to make destructive personal decisions, say in the ballot box; but hey it’s a free country.) Tebow is a bad person for telling me, without me asking, that I am a bad person. That makes him a fair target for a reaction from me. I never said I was arbiter of anything. We each have our beliefs, and I obviously think mine are right. But if you just STFU and keep your beliefs to yourself, as I do, we’ll get along just fine. Get in my face with them, and I may post an annoyed thread about you. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/128 "2011-10-27T19:12:11Z")
> [@spazurek](#): > > Tebow is not a bad person for his beliefs. An idiot, but not a bad person. (Ok maybe kind of bad because his beliefs lead him to make destructive personal decisions, say in the ballot box; but hey it’s a free country.) Again with the name calling? The guy has opinions that differ from yours. That does not make him a bad person or an idiot. Nor is voting for a different candidate demonstrably self-destructive. > [@](#): > > Tebow is a bad person for telling me, without me asking, that I am a bad person. That makes him a fair target for a reaction from me. How exactly has he done that? I’ll be needing a cite to a direct quote from him. > [@](#): > > I never said I was arbiter of anything. We each have our beliefs, and I obviously think mine are right. But if you just STFU and keep your beliefs to yourself, as I do, we’ll get along just fine. Get in my face with them, and I may post an annoyed thread about you. So hypocrisy doesn’t concern you in the least. He should STFU while you spout off about whatever topics you like? That seems somewhat less than fair. ---
**Author:** ![spazurek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@spazurek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spazurek)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/129 "2011-10-27T19:14:29Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Quite a few people find militant atheism to be obnoxious–including me, and I am an atheist. And I really must object to the accusation of ‘militant atheism’. I never have, and never will, criticize someone their belief unless they try to criticize mine. You know, I know, and everyone else knows what it means when I guy stands on the street with a sign reading “John 3:16”. It means “you’re going to hell if you’re not a believer.” Painting it in eyeblack and posing for a magazine cover means the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![spazurek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@spazurek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spazurek)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/130 "2011-10-27T19:15:38Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > He should STFU while you spout off about whatever topics you like? That seems somewhat less than fair. He started it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/131 "2011-10-27T19:19:35Z")
> [@spazurek](#): > > You know, I know, and everyone else knows what it means when I guy stands on the street with a sign reading “John 3:16”. It means “you’re going to hell if you’re not a believer.” I’d agree with you if that was what the verse said, but it isn’t. I would be perfectly happy if I never saw another idiot broadcasting his beliefs at a sporting event - “I’d like to thank god for helping me catch that touchdown instead of helping a scientist curie cancer” - but Tebow didn’t say anyone was going to hell anymore than he said anyone who has an abortion is evil. This sounds like projection. ---
**Author:** ![Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swords_to_Plowshares)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/132 "2011-10-27T19:26:57Z")
I concur that it sounds like projection. On a lighter note, I present [tebowing](http://tebowing.com/): praying on one knee when no one else is. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/133 "2011-10-27T20:28:07Z")
> [@spazurek](#): > > You know, I know, and everyone else knows what it means when I guy stands on the street with a sign reading “John 3:16”. It means “you’re going to hell if you’re not a believer.” I don’t know that, mainly because that verse says nothing of the kind. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/134 "2011-10-27T20:37:33Z")
> [@spazurek](#): > > He started it. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/135 "2011-10-27T21:28:28Z")
While I’m rather indifferent on Tebow’s religious views, maybe he should pray for God to give him an actual NFL throwing motion instead of that crapfest he calls passing. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/136 "2011-10-27T21:38:46Z")
> [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](#): > > I concur that it sounds like projection. > > On a lighter note, I present [tebowing](http://tebowing.com/): praying on one knee when no one else is. Guys have been taking a knee and praying in the NFL since Herb Lusk in 1977. God I hate the media. ---
**Author:** ![SleepyDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@SleepyDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SleepyDuck)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/137 "2011-10-30T10:04:51Z")
I have no idea what John 3:16 means, but I do know what Austin 3:16 says 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/138 "2011-10-30T15:35:48Z")
“I just killed your thread.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/139 "2011-10-30T17:06:23Z")
To be fair, I guess that hockey fans probably feel the same way about Sidney Crosby that I do about Tebow. (However, Crosby’s got the numbers to back it up!) Well, unless they’re Penguins fans. As long as Tebow doesn’t start mentioning Christian “side hugs”, I’m cool with him. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570/140 "2011-10-30T21:11:49Z")
2-10, 30 yards, two sacks. Passer rating of 39.6. Of course, Detroit is only up by 7, so he’ll probably bring the Broncos back again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-no-please-no-tebow/600570.md?page=8)