# No, old lady, DON'T invite the Jews to church! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824 "2009-02-14T15:38:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/21 "2009-02-14T20:01:26Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > But he will be descended from the house of David? Sounds mutually exclusive. No wonder they are still waiting. I should have phrased my earlier post much, much better and made it clear that Judaic theology does not include the notion of a savior from sin in the sense that **kanicbird** , whom I take to be a fundamentalist Christian, believes the son of Mary to have been. I would have, but I was trying to reply to **kanicbird** without being insulting or snarky, which is obviously unnatural for me. (I’m a huge jackass. Ask anyone. I think there’s a web support group for people who hate me.) [Anyway, this page may be helpful.](http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/22 "2009-02-14T20:28:32Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > [Anyway, this page may be helpful.](http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm) _deja vu_ ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/23 "2009-02-14T20:32:03Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Uh, let’s assume she is Christian. Perhaps you didn’t notice it, but Christianity is a _missionary_ religion. What, did you expect Christians to simply ignore you? Dumbass. :rolleyes: Yes, as a matter of fact, I do expect them to ignore me, and I’ll return the favor. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/24 "2009-02-14T20:45:40Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > _deja vu_ :smack: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/25 "2009-02-14T21:05:38Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > _deja vu_ > [@Frank](#): > > … For a second there I expected it to happen all over again. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/26 "2009-02-14T21:15:18Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I agree with the pitting. The old lady asked what religion the OP professed. “We’re Jews”, came the reply. This clearly means, in context, “We are of the Jewish religion.” To proceed to invite them to a Christian non-denominational church is just crass. More crass, or less - do you think - than if they’d said “We’re atheists”? ---
**Author:** ![Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sticks_and_scones/32/16951_2.png) [@Sticks\_and\_Scones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sticks_and_Scones)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/27 "2009-02-14T21:21:38Z")
> [@matt\_mcl](#): > > Christianity and witnessing do not go hand in hand and it is not unreasonable to be surprised if some individual person who happens to be a Christian tries to convert you. It’s not a common experience for many of us. Mark 16:15 “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” KJV Obviously you’ve never met the ‘right’ Christians!🙂 Because this is something that I grew up with. Outreach ministry. Door to door witnessing, etc… Note: Always tough for me due to my introverted tendencies. Never was much of a witnesser myself, but have always seen it going on around me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/28 "2009-02-14T21:25:22Z")
> [@Always Brings Pie](#): > > Mark 16:15 “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” KJV > > Obviously you’ve never met the ‘right’ Christians!🙂 Because this is something that I grew up with. Outreach ministry. Door to door witnessing, etc… > > Note: Always tough for me due to my introverted tendencies. Never was much of a witnesser myself, but have always seen it going on around me. Wouldn’t that include animals too? Does a dog have a Buddha nature? Not if it’s right with g-d it don’t.😛 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/29 "2009-02-14T21:38:09Z")
> [@Always Brings Pie](#): > > Mark 16:15 “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” KJV. “Preach the Gospel. Use words if necessary.” -St. Francis of Assisi. Speaking as an atheist, good deeds impress me a lot more than sanctimonious preaching. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/30 "2009-02-14T21:40:59Z")
[QUOTE= The Tao’s Revenge] Wouldn’t that include animals too? [/QUOTE] [PRAISE JESUS! SAY HALLELUJAH! SAY AMEN!!!](http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/mark-wahlberg-talks-to-animals/727504/) ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/31 "2009-02-14T21:52:39Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Wouldn’t that include animals too? One meaning of “creature” is “human being, as distinct from beast.” That this is the meaning in the quoted verse is clear. It is, after all, a translation from the Greek. (Or maybe Aramaic. I could scroll up and see exactly which book is being quoted, but I am too lazy.) ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/32 "2009-02-14T22:02:50Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > More crass, or less - do you think - than if they’d said “We’re atheists”? Equally crass. The crassness lies in the old lady’s assumption that a Jew (or an atheist) would feel ‘comfortable’ hearing that salvation lies only in Christ. Or perhaps more so, in the sense that Christianity has traditionally portrayed the Jewish nation as ‘Christ killers’, and indeed taught that the Second Coming would not take place until the ‘Conversion of the Jews’. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/33 "2009-02-14T22:12:17Z")
I don’t know what the big deal is. I’ve been invited to Synagogue before, and even was the honorary Hanukkah Man in a friend’s household. ---
**Author:** ![DaphneBlack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daphneblack/32/5389_2.png) [@DaphneBlack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaphneBlack)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/34 "2009-02-14T22:46:17Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I don’t know what the big deal is. I’ve been invited to Synagogue before, and even was the honorary Hanukkah Man in a friend’s household. The honorary what? As a (very not-Orthodox, but practicising) Jew, I don’t take offense when Christians invite me to church. I just say ‘no, thanks’. Or, in a few specific cases, I do come along – whilst making sure they understand I’m not a conversion target. (Some branches of) Christianity preach that missionary activity is important (or even necessary). If they persist, or start ranting about how I killed Christ blah blah blah, then I get tetchy. I invite non-Jewish friends to synagogue all the time, just so they can see what’s what. They’re often curious about it, and I’m always answering questions about Judaism. Folks who’ve come with me to synagogue seem to enjoy the experience (and the food) and report learning new things. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/35 "2009-02-14T23:15:40Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Equally crass. The crassness lies in the old lady’s assumption that a Jew (or an atheist) would feel ‘comfortable’ hearing that salvation lies only in Christ. > > Or perhaps more so, in the sense that Christianity has traditionally portrayed the Jewish nation as ‘Christ killers’, and indeed taught that the Second Coming would not take place until the ‘Conversion of the Jews’. I’m not seeing a very clear connection between the things you’re describing, andf the old lady mentioned by the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/36 "2009-02-14T23:16:05Z")
> [@It's Not Rocket Surgery!](#): > > the fucking Church of CHRIST I would so TOTALLY join that congregation. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/37 "2009-02-14T23:27:54Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > One meaning of “creature” is “human being, as distinct from beast.” That this is the meaning in the quoted verse is clear. It is, after all, a translation from the Greek. (Or maybe Aramaic. I could scroll up and see exactly which book is being quoted, but I am too lazy.) Funny how words change. As a modern speaker I’d have taken creature to mean “unidentified\unspecified animal”. > [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](#): > > [PRAISE JESUS! SAY HALLELUJAH! SAY AMEN!!!](http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/mark-wahlberg-talks-to-animals/727504/) For a second I thought the video was titled “Donkey Punch”. I was very intrigued and mortified. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/38 "2009-02-14T23:29:10Z")
> [@DaphneBlack](#): > > The honorary what? I hid gifts around the house for the kids to find. And there was something with a dradle. Don’t remember how that went exactly… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/39 "2009-02-15T00:13:49Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I think there’s a web support group for people who hate me. Why, there is, but we’re not allowed…that is, we’re not supposed to…never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/40 "2009-02-15T00:40:20Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I hid gifts around the house for the kids to find. And there was something with a dradle. Don’t remember how that went exactly… _Dradle dradle dradle I made you out of clay Dradle dradle dradle With my dradle I will play_ Or something like that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824.md?page=3)