# No, old lady, DON'T invite the Jews to church! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824 "2009-02-14T15:38:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/81 "2009-02-16T15:29:10Z")
> [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](#): > > To help clear some confusion, here’s more from the website of the church in question: > [snip] > _T **he congregation is locally led by elders and pastors, with no outside agency determining our doctrines or actions.** _ > [snip] > > So it looks like they’re unaffiliated. That’s standard for Churches of Christ. As I said, they aren’t really a denomination, they’re a doctrinal movement one of whose defining doctrines is that they are opposed to any denominational structure or association above the local congregation. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/82 "2009-02-16T15:59:37Z")
Heh. 😛 [http://www.viruscomix.com/page409.html](http://www.viruscomix.com/page409.html) ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/83 "2009-02-16T20:40:27Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It’s Mark, it’s Greek (there are only a few words of Aramaic in the NT. It was all written in Greek) and the exact phrase is PASH TH KTISEI - “to every created thing,” or alternatively, “to all creation.” KTSIS means "created thing. It has no meaning of a human as distingusihed from animals. It can actually mean “building,” though. > > PAS KTISIS – “every created thing.” pretty much means what it looks like. “All creation” is a perfectly suitable translation. **Dio** , what I mean is that one meaning of “creature” is “specifically human animal” and that the remark in Mark, whichever word is used, is certainly meant to admonish believers to preach the gospel to all of humanity. It’s metonymy. Or synechoche. Or something else rhetorical. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/84 "2009-02-16T21:23:26Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I don’t get why saying that trying to evangelize is required by their religion excuses anything. If it’s required by my religion to piss on other people’s shoes, and I sincerely think I’ll go to hell (or you will) if I don’t piss on your shoes, that doesn’t mean I should be excused for pissing on your shoes, or that it isn’t rude. > > I don’t care if proselytization is part of your religion. That’s not my problem. Stop pissing on my shoes. And if my religion requires _cleaning_ shoes? Still offensive, or is there in fact a qualitative difference between shoe-cleaning and shoe-pissing that makes your analogy a trough of piss? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/it_s_not_rocket_surgery/32/312_2.png) [@It\_s\_Not\_Rocket\_Surgery](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/It_s_Not_Rocket_Surgery)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/85 "2009-02-16T21:26:31Z")
> [@Alan\_Smithee](#): > > That’s standard for Churches of Christ. As I said, they aren’t really a denomination, they’re a doctrinal movement one of whose defining doctrines is that they are opposed to any denominational structure or association above the local congregation. I agree with you. I just posted this to clarify this to those who keep posting doctrine for UCC and other church groups that don’t apply here. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/86 "2009-02-16T21:43:39Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > And if my religion requires _cleaning_ shoes? Still not my problem. Clean your own shoes. > [@](#): > > Still offensive, or is there in fact a qualitative difference between shoe-cleaning and shoe-pissing that makes your analogy a trough of piss? :dubious: No qualitative difference, no. Basically, your religion is your problem. Leave me out of it. Not that your own analogy is very apt. Proselytizing people is not doing anything _for_ them. It’s just harrassment. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/87 "2009-02-16T21:49:42Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > No qualitative difference, no. Basically, your religion is your problem. Leave me out of it. God, if only you would go. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/88 "2009-02-17T16:56:31Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Wouldn’t that include animals too? > > Does a dog have a Buddha nature? Not if it’s right with g-d it don’t.😛 My cats don’t choose to discuss religion with me. So long as they don’t try to convert me, it’s all good 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/89 "2009-02-17T21:05:46Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > My cats don’t choose to discuss religion with me. So long as they don’t try to convert me, it’s all good 🙂 In your cat’s world view; it is god. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/90 "2009-02-22T05:42:41Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > Yes, yes the are. Christianity recognizes Jesus Christ as the messiah. Judaism does not. Pretty fundamental difference there. > > :smack: Way to selectively quote there, cunt. As I said: > [@](#): > > Christianity is merely a belief system, while **Judaism could describe only someone’s culture or ethnicity.** Jesus himself was a Jew, after all. Other Jews who were ALSO Christians: - the Apostle Paul, a former member of the Sanhedrin. - All of the original 12 Disciples; - Every member of the early Christian church It’s not like there’s some big rulebook being kept that says “Thou shalt not call thyself both Christian and Jew.” Unless you’re an atheist, religion is a subjective matter. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/91 "2009-02-22T06:15:07Z")
> [@Lizard](#): > > Way to selectively quote there, cunt. > > As I said: > Other Jews who were ALSO Christians: > > - the Apostle Paul, a former member of the Sanhedrin. > - All of the original 12 Disciples; > - Every member of the early Christian church > > It’s not like there’s some big rulebook being kept that says “Thou shalt not call thyself both Christian and Jew.” Unless you’re an atheist, religion is a subjective matter. Heck you could throw in some old school Taoism and some uncertainty about the nature of g-d and be a theistic-agnostic Taoist Christian Jew. ---
**Author:** ![Ed\_Zotti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/fbc32d/32.png) [@Ed\_Zotti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ed_Zotti)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/92 "2009-02-26T01:32:07Z")
> [@Lizard](#): > > Way to selectively quote there, cunt. This was directed at another poster, and definitely qualifies as an abusive remark. Don’t do this again ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/93 "2009-02-26T01:36:31Z")
> [@Ed\_Zotti](#): > > This was directed at another poster, and definitely qualifies as an abusive remark. Don’t do this again The new rules were posted on 2-24. You are warning (I assume, as there is no **Moderator Note** or **Warning** indication) **Lizard** for a post from 2-21. I understood that the new rules were not to be retroactive. Is that an incorrect understanding? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/94 "2009-02-26T01:44:27Z")
> [@Ed\_Zotti](#): > > This was directed at another poster, and definitely qualifies as an abusive remark. Don’t do this again Mr. Zotti, in [this ATMB thread opened about 90 seconds](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508247) ago, I express a concern about the above. If you would answer thereabousts, I’d be grateful. Merci! ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/95 "2009-02-26T02:06:10Z")
> [@Ed\_Zotti](#): > > This was directed at another poster, and definitely qualifies as an abusive remark. Don’t do this again The post on which \*\*Ed Zotti \*\*commented was made before the new rules took effect. Ed’s post is not an official warning and will not count against **Lizard** **Gfactor** Pit Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/96 "2009-02-26T02:19:28Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > The post on which \*\*Ed Zotti \*\*commented was made before the new rules took effect. Ed’s post is not an official warning and will not count against **Lizard** > > **Gfactor** > Pit Moderator No disrespect, **Gfactor** , but I’d rather see Ed say that. Along with an apology. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/97 "2009-02-26T02:33:07Z")
Yeah, I mean, what was the point? **Ed** is going to have his hands seriously full if he undertakes to go through all the Pit threads from the _ancien regime_ cautioning everyone who ever directed an abusive remark at another poster. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/98 "2009-02-26T02:43:17Z")
Maybe Mother will let me post in the pit now… ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/99 "2009-02-26T05:12:37Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I just wish you could wear them with Levis. I am sure you can. Cohens as well… ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-old-lady-dont-invite-the-jews-to-church/485824/100 "2009-02-26T05:32:27Z")
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