# No One Wants to Remove My Clothing . . . **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 19, 2004, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082 "2004-10-19T18:47:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/21 "2004-10-20T04:49:06Z")
You’re not having it buried with you in giant Zip-Loc[sup]TM[/sup] bags? What _will_ you wear in the afterlife? Don’t go naked into the ether! ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/22 "2004-10-20T05:35:11Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Something happened to this thread; what it is, ain’t exactly clear! > There’s a woman with a wardrobe over there, telling us she wants to be bare. Sayin’ ‘Stop, children, where’s that gown? Everybody stop! What’s going down?’ Are you going to Eve’s closet, dear? eve-ning gowns and Scarves abound Remember dopers, far and near there’s enough to go around. Tell her you’d love just to try on a shirt or perhaps a vest (are you going to Eve’s closet, dear?) There must, there must, be one piece or two for you, doper, you’ll fit right in here. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/23 "2004-10-20T14:58:10Z")
Where have all **Eve** ’s garments gone, long time passing? Where have all **Eve** ’s garments gone, long time ago? Where have all **Eve** ’s garments gone, Museums took them, every one; When will they ever learn; when will they ev-er learn? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/24 "2004-10-20T16:19:30Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Where have all **Eve** ’s garments gone, long time passing? > Where have all **Eve** ’s garments gone, long time ago? > Where have all **Eve** ’s garments gone, > Museums took them, every one; > When will they ever learn; when will they ev-er learn? Eve, the lady doper lived in Jersey and had some vintage clothing that just wanted to be free Eve found some curators tending to their wares and asked them if they’d handle some of her old clothes with care Together they would talk of that Jean Harlowe and gown or revel in the past of all the derbys Eve had owned the time just slipped away while they chatted on and on curators came to see the clothes and dame and did they ever fawn One day when Eve came walking up to give some more she found a makeshift sign so crudely taped on the backdoor It said “Our dear curator has taken a brief leave” But Eve was wise and barged right in, crying “You do not deceive!” The room was quickly silenced, the secret meeting done Their plan to steal her clothes away was spelled out one by one. She scorned and scoffed and huffed, a lady truly vexed then, silent some, she spoke again, “My goodwill you have wrecked!” ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/25 "2004-10-20T17:02:36Z")
Curators, Curators, take all these clothes Swimsuits and hats Ribbons and bows In 50 years they’ll be rare as hen’s teeth So please don’t just take Harlowe’s For **Zebra** , send out some blouses To set up the brand-new Doper wing For **Yamir** , bonnets or handbags And me, I’d look smashing in anything! Curators, Curators, avoid the crush **Eve** ’s out of room She’s in a rush Playing at dress-up a girl can get burned… So grab up the gowns Snatch up the frocks Snag all the suits Pack up a box And make off with all **Eve** ’s clothes! I know, it’s wretched, best I could do… ---
**Author:** ![Snowcarpet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowcarpet/32/257_2.png) [@Snowcarpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowcarpet)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/26 "2004-10-20T18:09:18Z")
Unfortunately, I have no witty verse to offer! Just seconding the notion of contacting the Kent State University Museum: [http://dept.kent.edu/museum/pr/donations.html](http://dept.kent.edu/museum/pr/donations.html) I’ve had the pleasure of attending a private behind-the-scenes tour of the fashion collection, and it was absolutely amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/27 "2004-10-20T18:38:48Z")
Here’s a list of what I’ve got. It _kills_ me to part with some of these treasures, but they belong ina museum environment, packed in acid-free tissue (which is why I don’t want to sell them on eBay and have them wind up as someone’s Halloween costume; these should not be worn): **Dresses** 1. Day dress, c1950, “Jomax” label. Bright red with abstract black and white pattern, full just-below-knee length, wide ballet neckline with bow at cleavage. Short sleeves. 2. ``` Day dress, knee-length, caps sleeves, WWII-era. Black rayon with yellow full-length yellow insert with enterprising pattern. ``` 3. ``` Floor-length sleeveless evening gown, c 1934, tissue-thin silk chiffon, beige with pale floral pattern; matching white silk slip. Black stain at hem. ``` 4. Floor-length sleeveless evening gown, 1931, brilliant red silk velvet, bias-cut, with beaded and jeweled “cuff” around neckline and armholes. Matching belt with rhinestone clasp. 5. WWII-era cocktail dress, navy-blue rayon, three-quarter sleeves, decorative satin sash from waist to hem (navy and white polka dots). 6. WWII-era plain “house dress,” blue cotton with white daisy pattern, buttons up front, short sleeves, knee-length. 7. Cocktail dress (c1963), “Collector’s Items by Anne Fogarty” label, brilliantly multicolored, sleeveless, V-neck, knee-length, elaborately pleated (belonged to my mother). 8. ``` Day dress (c1963), cotton/poly, olive-green with “hand screened” owl print, label “The Junior Gentress, Valley Forge, PA”. Buttons up front, long sleeved, knee-length (belonged to my mother). ``` 9. Day dress, early 1930s, bright yellow rayon, self-belt, lace capelet attached. 10. WWII-era evening gown, sleeveless, modest V-neck, snaps up side; violet silk-moiré (or silk-moiré effect, anyway). 11. WWII-era day dress, navy-blue rayon, zips up side; knee-length, cap sleeves. 12. WWII-era rayon day dress, very enterprising: wrap effect, tassels at shoulder and hip; bright red with green and white pattern; three-quarter sleeves; knee-length, zips up side. 13. WWII-era day dress, olive-green rayon (faded in spots), cap sleeves, peplum, zips up side. 14. Evening gown (c1962), “Mr. Blackwell Custom” label, skintight gold lamé covered in black lace. Sleeveless, boat-neckline, boned at bodice (belonged to my great-aunt). 15. Very groovy minidress, c1968, made of black knit with silver-metal thread shot throughout. Belled sleeves and hem. “Pearl” buttons down front. 16. WWI-era day dress, navy-blue rayon, cap sleeves, zips up side. Tiny decorative daisies at neckline and hip pockets. 17. Black silk-velvet evening gown, early 1930s, bias-cut, gathered cap sleeves, boat neckline, one hook at back of neck. 18. Very enterprising WWII-era day dress, bright-green rayon with crazy hats and hatboxes pattern. Cap sleeves, zips up side, slight ruffle at waist. 19. Evening gown, WWII-era, pale violet (rayon?), cap sleeves, zips up side, but faux-buttons at gathered bodice. Floor-length with front slit to knee. Matching belt. 20. White silk and lace dress, c1905, long-sleeved, high collar, slight train, very elaborate workmanship, very fragile. 21. Ladies’ silk suit, c1910 (skirt and bodice hook together). White with gray vertical stripes, three-quarter sleeves, lace appliqués on bodice. Excellent condition. 22. White silk-satin “Jean Harlow gown,” c1933, elaborately bias-cut, sleeveless with cowl back, hooks and snaps along seams. Excellent condition, gorgeous. 23. Evening gown, c1912, lavender silk, chiffon butterfly sleeves with jeweled hem, high waist, train; neckline is square-cut with gold-lace insert and jeweled edges. Gorgeous, fragile. **Miscellaneous** 1. Heavy silk-satin evening cloak, 1940s, burgundy, floor-length, fastens at neck with flowered Bakelite button. 2. Black-silk kimono with silver and gold embroidery on back and colorful lining (brought from Japan, WWII, by my father). 3. 1930s/40s black long-sleeved wrap blouse. Labels: “Tailored by Adelaar,” “Imported French matte jersey by Kobe.” 4. Sheer black silk-chiffon teddy, probably early 1930s. 5. Black rayon blouse, probably 1940s, cap sleeves, clear-plastic flower buttons up back, heavy “silver” necklace attached. 6. 1940s/50s bathing suit, madras, one-piece. Label: “The Kahala, made in Honolulu, 100% cotton, imported Indian madras, hand washable” (belonged to my mother). 7. 1940s blouse/jacket, navy-blue rayon, with white daisy pattern. Three-quarter sleeves, slight peplum. 8. Ruffled petticoat, late 19th century, white cotton, floor-length with slight train. Front panel replaced. 9. Yellow silk skirt with delicate white floral pattern, c1870s (room and shape for bustle). Very delicate. 10. Dressing gown, late 1930s, peach-colored, heavy silk satin. Long sleeves with buttons at cuffs; gown buttons at one shoulder. Matching belt. 11. Dressing gown, late 1920s, delicate silk chiffon in violent red lined in equally violent purple; deep, elaborate ruffles at sleeves and hem. Matching belt. 12. 1930s brassiere, peach satin and white lace; fastening wraps all the way around to hook in front (belonged to my grandmother). 13. Plum and peach silk camisole, early 1930s, thin straps, lace V-insert at neckline (belonged to my grandmother). 14. White rayon slip with silver-thread stripes on bias pattern, probably 1930s. Label: “Safetyseam.” 15. Black “stole” of velvet studded with tiny rhinestones, lined in rayon. Maybe 1950s? **Hats** 1. Mid-1930s slouch “Garbo” hat, faded violet felt, with moiré hatband (“Doeskin” and WPA labels). 2. Blue-velvet toque (1940s/50s?) with faded purple hatband 3. Shiny black-straw hat with wide brim (1940s?), red silk flower at base of crown 4. c1930 combination cloche/slouch hat, black felt, with art-deco rhinestone pin on bow. 5. c1934 day hat, to be tilted over one eye, straw-colored, with decorative buttons and stitching. 6. Classic “Clara Bow tam” as seen in Sears catalog, 1927, blue and purple velvet, with black-jet fringe. 7. Late 1930s/early ’40s black felt hat with wide front brim (to be worn on back of head), “Gimbel Brothers” stamp. 8. ``` Black felt cocktail hat, 1930s, tiny, with bow and rhinestone pin, “Play Topper” label. ``` **Shoes** 1. Gold-lamé spike heels, c1960, pointed toes, “Radiants” label printed on sole (purchased from Edith Massey in Baltimore, 1970s). 2. Fire-engine red spike heels, c1960, pointed toes. 3. Classic “disco sandals,” 1977, platform wooden soles, canvas ankle-and toe straps, high chunky heels. 4. Black-satin evening slippers, 1930s, Cuban heels, cut-out at toes, “Daniel Green” stamped on sole. ---
**Author:** ![Papermache\_Prince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f05b48/32.png) [@Papermache\_Prince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Papermache_Prince)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/28 "2004-10-20T18:41:24Z")
October 29th (AP New York) Police have today arrested the “mystery woman” who allegedly vandalized an inflatable figure of the cartoon character “Scooby Doo.” November 1st (AP New York) It has been reported that several well-known museums are vying for the 20th century clothing collection of the notorious “Scooby Slasher” Ms **Eve** X\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/29 "2004-10-20T18:52:44Z")
Where did you get all this nifty stuff? I wonder if contacting the Antiques Road Show would hook you up with someone in the know. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/30 "2004-10-20T18:57:00Z")
Well, here’s a list of experts in the textile collectibles area (from the Antiques Roadshow site): ## Appraisers specializing in Rugs, Quilts and Textiles Sally Ambrose Ambrose Appraisal Service Leavenworth, WA * * * Caroline Ashleigh Caroline Ashleigh Associates, Inc. * * * John A. Buxton Antiques Appraiser and Consultant Dallas, TX * * * Carl Crossman Consultant Northeast Auctions Portsmouth, NH * * * H. Peter Curran Wayside Exchange and Antiques Wilton, CT * * * Antoine de Vermoutier Independent Appraiser New York, NY * * * Nancy Druckman Senior Vice President Director of the American Folk Art Department Sotheby’s New York, NY * * * Donald Ellis President and Founder Donald Ellis Gallery Ontario, Canada * * * Ken Farmer Owner Ken Farmer’s Auctions & Estates Radford, VA * * * James A. Ffrench Director Beauvais Carpets New York, NY * * * J. Michael Flanigan Antiques Dealer J. M. Flanigan American Antiques Baltimore, MD * * * Michael B. Grogan President, Grogan & Company Dedham, MA * * * Karen M. Keane Partner, Chief Executive Officer Skinner, Inc. Boston, MA * * * Jo Kris Director, Oriental Rugs & Carpets Skinner Boston, MA * * * Gloria Lieberman Vice President Director of Fine Jewelry Skinner Boston, MA * * * Mary Jo Otsea Vice President Oriental and European Carpets Dept. Sotheby’s New York, NY * * * Peter Pap Peter Pap Oriental Rugs Dublin, NH * * * Elisabeth Poole New York, NY * * * Hadji Rahimipour Director, Oriental Rugs & Carpets Butterfield & Butterfield San Francisco, CA * * * Beth Szescila Appraiser of Fine Art and Antiques, Szescila Appraisal Service Houston, TX * * * Mark Topalian Specialist, Rugs & Carpets Dept. Doyle New York New York, NY One of these people might be affiliated with a museum or know of someone who can properly preserve your frocks. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/31 "2004-12-14T16:54:34Z")
I had no luck with museums or historical societies, and the colleges hinted that the clothes would be used in productions. So I just mailed lists of what I have to Christie’s and Sotheby’s, and asked if they’d be interested in adding some or all of my collection to their next available costumes/textiles sale. ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/32 "2004-12-14T17:10:41Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > So I just mailed lists of what I have to Christie’s and Sotheby’s, and asked if they’d be interested in adding some or all of my collection to their next available costumes/textiles sale. Hey, **Eve** could you send me a list too? The wardrobe folks I know in film advised me who I should NOT contact. While there are a few places that would store them in museum-like archives, they would be made available to both film and theatre productions which woulnd’t work out. However, there may be Canadian museums that may be interested – I just have to follow up with someone who said she knows someone, who knows someone who can help put me in touch with the right people. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/33 "2004-12-14T17:43:41Z")
The garment world, it is explodin’. Necklines flarin’, buttons loadin’ They’re old enough to kill, but not for gloatin’ You don’t believe in stays, but what’s that strap you’re totin’ And even the East River has bodies floatin’ But you tell me Over and over and over again, my friend Ah, you don’t believe We’re on the Eve of destruction. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/34 "2004-12-14T17:44:33Z")
> [@Eats\_Crayons](#): > > Hey, **Eve** could you send me a list too? List above. ---
**Author:** ![plnnr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@plnnr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/plnnr)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/35 "2004-12-14T17:50:23Z")
I see from the list that there are no lacy undergarments available. I understand that there’s a very big market for those types of garments (preferably freshly worn). ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/36 "2004-12-14T17:56:15Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > List above. 😕 How long has _that_ been there??? Da-amn, I’m going blind! ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/37 "2004-12-14T17:58:45Z")
> [@plnnr](#): > > I see from the list that there are no lacy undergarments available. 1. Sheer black silk-chiffon teddy, probably early 1930s. 2. 1930s brassiere, peach satin and white lace; fastening wraps all the way around to hook in front. 3. Plum and peach silk camisole, early 1930s, thin straps, lace V-insert at neckline. 4. White rayon slip with silver-thread stripes on bias pattern, probably 1930s. ---
**Author:** ![plnnr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@plnnr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/plnnr)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/38 "2004-12-14T18:07:05Z")
Evidently, I’m going blind as well. #4 sounds pretty hot ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/39 "2004-12-14T18:27:52Z")
**Eve** , You might want to give the folks at the Philadelphia University School of Textiles and Materials Technology a call. They have a fashion design program, and might really like your collection. This school was the first textile school in America, formerly the Philadelphia College of Textiles and Art. School House Lane & Henry Avenue Philadelphia, PA 19144-5497 Tel: 215.951.2750 ---
**Author:** ![missbunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/76d3ee/32.png) [@missbunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/missbunny)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2004, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082/40 "2004-12-14T18:46:25Z")
Eve, that collection is worth thousands of dollars. Are you sure you don’t want to sell it? A museum would be nice but if you can’t find one there’s no point in keeping them if someone will buy them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-one-wants-to-remove-my-clothing/270082.md?page=3)