# No Oreos For You! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 13, 2003, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992 "2003-05-13T17:21:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@Fin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fin_man)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/21 "2003-05-13T19:46:06Z")
**istara** , nobody held a fucking gun to the heads of people forcing them to eat Oreos. Never did Kraft, the maker of Oreos, lie about the ingredients. Did they add extra trans-fat to make them deadly? Christ, a judge threw out the McDonalds lawsuit and this one should go too. This is America. If you feel the product is bad, DON’T FUCKING EAT IT. If you can’t read, LEARN TO FUCKING READ. Children don’t understand labels but parents do. Who is rasing the children, the parents or the government? Who is buying the food? If you don’t like the ingredients in food products, DON’T FUCKING BUY THEM - buy substitutes with natural ingredients. Oh, they cost more. Well, do a cost/benefit analysis and choose. Or wait, should the government regulate food costs? ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/22 "2003-05-13T19:52:31Z")
In that case, **istara** , an informational campaign would, I believe, be the most valid method of recourse. A lawsuit and a demand to ban a particular food is frivolous and infringing upon the rights of those who know that transfats are bad. Additionally, if a child is eating enough Oreos to suffer a problem from it, then that’s a problem that needs to be dealt with by the parents, not by Mr. Joseph. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/23 "2003-05-13T19:52:41Z")
**swampbear** , be careful. Vienna Fingers are next! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/24 "2003-05-13T19:55:26Z")
Next stop: Nutter Butters! ---
**Author:** ![Fin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@Fin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fin_man)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/25 "2003-05-13T19:56:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Angel of the Lord \* > \*\*In that case, **istara** , an informational campaign would, I believe, be the most valid method of recourse. A lawsuit and a demand to ban a particular food is frivolous and infringing upon the rights of those who know that transfats are bad. > > Additionally, if a child is eating enough Oreos to suffer a problem from it, then that’s a problem that needs to be dealt with by the parents, not by Mr. Joseph. \*\* Yeah, what **Angel of the Lord** said!!! Sure, say it better than I did. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Summertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Summertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Summertime)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/26 "2003-05-13T19:58:30Z")
I’ve been known to eat 10 AT A TIME. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/27 "2003-05-13T20:02:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Misery Loves Co. \* > \*\*I’m inspired! > > I think it’s time that Coke pay, I say **PAY** for the years of suffering I’ve experienced as a result of drinking their products. I’m refering of course to that tickly bite at the back of my throat likely due to their negligent use of carbonation in their product! > > The trauma I’ve experienced while drinking their product can only be repaid in cold, hard, cash. . . \*\* I think the tickly feeling is probably more due to the use of corn syrup in soft drinks these days as opposed to the sugar that was once used. I don’t remember the coke of my youth producing the tickle, nor do I notice it in the increasingly rare soft drinks which still use regular sugar. ---
**Author:** ![jesuslynch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e99b99/32.png) [@jesuslynch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jesuslynch)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/28 "2003-05-13T20:03:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > \*\*Can I seek double damages for eating DoubleStuff Oreos? \*\* Only if it was an accident. ---
**Author:** ![Lilacs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Lilacs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lilacs)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/29 "2003-05-13T20:05:10Z")
Dipping Oreos in milk is one of the joys of childhood for God’s sake! If they try this with Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups I’ll find them and force feed them bean sprouts. ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/30 "2003-05-13T20:07:21Z")
**Istara** , others beat me too it but–once again–the consumer is not forced to buy, or consume, these products. And there isn’t even a “won’t someone think of the poor who can’t afford fresh foods!” angle here, because Oreos are damn expensive. I know they’re a rare treat in my house for just that reason. Personally, I’ve always told myself that by dipping them in milk until they reach a perfectly softened mushiness, I am actually ridding them of at least 50% of their fat. Will the wonders of science never cease?! ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/31 "2003-05-13T20:12:41Z")
I just read an article the other day that was saying much of the obesity in America is linked to (surprise!) inactivity. [sub]Obviously food has _something_ to do with it, but you get the idea[/sub] So give the kids their Oreos, just smash that Nintendo with a hammer and you’ll be doing them a world of good. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/32 "2003-05-13T20:15:57Z")
It would appear that, eventually, liberalism will eat its own. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/33 "2003-05-13T20:35:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by istara \* > **Thousands of western children are dying or suffering ill-health related to poor diet and obesity. Even in the US and Europe, there are FAT children suffering from malnutrition. Millions more will die prematurely as adults because of diet-linked obesity.** By golly, you’re right! We should demand that Nabisco take all the partially hydrogenated oils out of Oreos, and replace them with good old-fashioned **LARD!** Lard is all natural, and has hardly any _trans_ fat, so it **must** be good for you. > [@](#): > > **Don’t you ever wonder why there is so much crap in food? Don’t you ever wonder why some brands are packed with E-numbers and shite, yet others seem to contain more natural ingredients?** E-numbers? You mean, there have been E-numbers available in food products all this time, and **we didn’t know it?!** Stand up and **demand** your daily allowance of E-numbers!! ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/34 "2003-05-13T20:37:25Z")
I am not saying the defendant should be found guilty. Just that I quite appreciate lawsuits like this. If nothing else, the media furore surrounding the case is quite an effective informational campaign. I totally agreed with McCrap winning/not losing that fatkids lawsuit. I still thought there was great benefit from the public awareness it raised. And perhaps not just about the product being unhealthy: but of the crap some parents feed their kids - or the lack of supervision they have over their diets - and the damage it is doing to them. ---
**Author:** ![lorinada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5e925/32.png) [@lorinada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorinada)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/35 "2003-05-13T20:39:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by meara \* > \*\*It’s pretty unreasonable to hold Nabisco responsible for Oreo-induced heart attacks, but it wouldn’t be horrible to see trans-fat content added to the mandatory nutrition facts (given that it’s alleged to be at least as nasty as the saturated kind). > > Certainly it would be a more useful listing than Vitamin C. \*\* **meara** , it’s already on the label. Right there in the ingredients list, where it says _hydrogenated_ or _partially hydrogenated_ _insert your favorite fat or oil here_. This reminds me of when I was working on a large university campus. Some gal decided aspartame gave her a headache so she embarked upon a campaign to _ban aspartame entirely from the campus_. Fuck the fact that she _had a choice whether or not to use it_ and fuck the fact that if she were successful _none of us would have a choice_. Fuck the fact that us diabetics and dieters considered aspartame a _godsend_, and fuck the fact that a few students with PKU said they had no problem with the Diet Coke in the vending machines, they simply chose regular Coke. Some people thrive on victimization, and go so far as to try to convince everyone else that they are victims, too. I guess they think it validates their victimness. And of course, their day in the spotlight is an extra-special added bonus. Since vicitmization, is, after all, just another case of “me-me-me-me” anyway. ---
**Author:** ![lorinada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5e925/32.png) [@lorinada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorinada)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/36 "2003-05-13T20:46:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > \*\*By golly, you’re right! We should demand that Nabisco take all the partially hydrogenated oils out of Oreos, and replace them with good old-fashioned **LARD!** Lard is all natural, and has hardly any _trans_ fat, so it **must** be good for you. > > \*\* **tracer** , actually, lard [IS better than hydrogenated oils. All hyrogenation is is making a saturated fat out of an unsaturated or partially-saturated fat. So, already, you have made them even. Then add the trans-fats and you have made the formally “healthy” fat worse than the lard. But, of course, Nabisco et al will never use lard, because the hydrogenated fats have a far longer shelf life and are much more stable. The lard would go rancid in a few days. That is, if it didn’t melt. ---
**Author:** ![Doomtrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/37 "2003-05-13T20:50:25Z")
Ahem, then why don’t the parents of these poor widdle children read the labels before they buy it? No 5 year old I know holds a job and earns his own money. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/38 "2003-05-13T20:50:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lorinada \* > **Then add the trans-fats and you have made the form[er]ly “healthy” fat worse than the lard.** There is no evidence that _trans_ fat is any worse for you than saturated fat. ---
**Author:** ![Liz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/liz/32/17737_2.png) [@Liz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liz)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/39 "2003-05-13T20:56:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Some people thrive on victimization, and go so far as to try to convince everyone else that they are victims, too. I guess they think it validates their victimness. And of course, their day in the spotlight is an extra-special added bonus. Since vicitmization, is, after all, just another case of “me-me-me-me” anyway. You just reached into my head and plucked out my thoughts. Quit it! It makes you look smarter than me! ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2003, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992/40 "2003-05-13T20:57:33Z")
I guess I see this sort of lawsuit or campaign in the same vein as those political “wackos” that stand as an independent parliamentary candidate at general election, usually over some bizarre or extreme issue. You know they’re not going to win. They probably know they’re not going to win. But often - despite the time and money wasting - an important issue does get a bit of lights. Whether it’s a road being built through the last remaining habitat of the Patagonian slug, or whether the Imperial goverment’s decision to lower the pay of goverment cleaners was constitutionally unjust by some clause dating back to Magna Carta, at least it makes us notice, and it may make us think. And be honest - all of us who’ve read about this lawsuit - have we found ourselves wondering just a little about the trans fat in some of the other stuff we’re eating? I have. Maybe I’m the only one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-oreos-for-you/174992.md?page=3)