# No pain and suffering is worth $175 million. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 2, 2006, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-pain-and-suffering-is-worth-175-million/359123 "2006-06-02T08:30:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-pain-and-suffering-is-worth-175-million/359123/121 "2006-06-05T20:00:23Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] The fact that morons, like yourself, buy Brit Hume’s reasoning is supportive of the very argument that Franken goes on to make. Hume’s a shill throwing out logically challenged arguments so that folks like you don’t even have to take a moment to wipe the drool from your chin to think. [/QUOTE] **Scylla** will now flail limply a couple times and slink away. Humorously enough, **Hentor** you’ve hit on the whole right-wing-hate-media phenomenon pretty well. Do you listen to Limbaugh? If you can stomach it, it’s quite informative. One of his bumpers he actually says something along the lines of “Thinking so you don’t have to”. Anyways, I’ve been busy. Have the likes of **Shodan** and **Clothahump** started using the phrase ‘Drive-by media’? I first heard Hannity and Limbaugh beginning to pound it into the ground a few months ago. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2006, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-pain-and-suffering-is-worth-175-million/359123/122 "2006-06-05T22:43:11Z")
[QUOTE=Scylla] We’ve all been around the block. We know how these guys, Limbaugh, Franken, Coulter, and Moore work. [/QUOTE] I realize I’m coming late to this party, but I can’t let that statement slide. [Here’s](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4981174&postcount=64) what I wrote about that precise comparison (well, not Limbaugh) several years back. [Here’s](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=237762) a thread I started specifically to discuss [Frankenlies.com](http://Frankenlies.com). On a more general level, Franken has staken out an incredibly visible anti-lying position. After all, he wrote an entire book called “Lies and the lying liars who tell them”. He has been, for the past several years, practically daring someone to catch him in a lie. Now, anyone who writes books and gives speeches will certainly occasionally misspeak or let errors slide in of some sort. But I guarantee that everything he says and writes is gone over with MANY fine-toothed combs. And if the most egregious “lies” anyone can find are like that Brit Hume business, well, that’s a damned honest person. On a different note, I’m eternally entertained by this ongoing argument about whether Moore’s movies are “documentaries”. I mean, who cares what word you use? They are obviously films that are intended as basically non-fiction, but which include a strongly slanted viewpoint. Their detractors and supporters agree on that. So who cares what word you use? ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2006, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-pain-and-suffering-is-worth-175-million/359123/123 "2006-06-06T18:40:05Z")
> [@](#): > > More importantly Franken lies about the context. The context was not to show that Iraq was safe for soldiers but to comment on Media priorities and how the media was focussed on troop casualties. Franken accuses Hume of making his Iraq-California comparison to show that things in Iraq really aren’t that bad. Instead, they say that Hume was making a point about media priorities. In particular, Hume’s point is that the media should not be so focused on the casualties in Iraq because–wait for it–wait for it–_things in Iraq really aren’t that bad_. There is no other reason to make that comparison. The alternative is to believe that Hume _does_ believe that things in Iraq are pretty bad, but he thinks the media shouldn’t be focusing on it. Hell, that’s even worse. It isn’t that I disagree with their criticism here–I just really don’t understand it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-pain-and-suffering-is-worth-175-million/359123.md?page=6)