# No racism intended **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 14, 2000, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122 "2000-09-14T03:08:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![darkcool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@darkcool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/darkcool)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/1 "2000-09-14T03:08:36Z")
Why is it that no one lifts an eye at the Latin Emmys, when if they had an Anglo (only) Emmys everyone would go apeshit? ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/2 "2000-09-14T03:27:22Z")
well they have country music and other styles. Since Latin people can be (and in fact are) of any race, I am not sure what your problem is. You mean they should invite the Lord of the Dance thing? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/3 "2000-09-14T03:27:24Z")
Because the White Man is obsessed with his historical guilt. This is probably GD material. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/4 "2000-09-14T03:50:16Z")
There is controversy at the Latin Grammys already. It restricts the awards to Spanish and Portugese-speaking songs. There are Hatian creoles and Celtic balladeers who are left out. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/5 "2000-09-14T04:03:58Z")
There is the Country Music Awards…anybody go Apeshit over that? The CMA doesn’t allow hip-hop and rap, or Latin music for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![darkcool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@darkcool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/darkcool)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/6 "2000-09-14T04:26:08Z")
You’re right, this is GD material. Manny, if you please… Thanks, Friedo. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/7 "2000-09-14T04:33:14Z")
\>\> There is controversy at the Latin Grammys already. It restricts the awards to Spanish and Portugese-speaking songs. There are Hatian creoles and Celtic balladeers who are left out. No Shit! I never knew those groups were latin. Or should they allow latin music in Celtic festivals? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/8 "2000-09-14T05:35:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Or should they allow latin music in Celtic festivals? Well, if they could find any of Ciaran’s plainsong, they should. ---
**Author:** ![pothole2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/db5fbb/32.png) [@pothole2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pothole2)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/9 "2000-09-14T10:44:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > \*\*There is the Country Music Awards…anybody go Apeshit over that? The CMA doesn’t allow hip-hop and rap, or Latin music for that matter. > \*\* It does allow Black people, however… ---
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/10 "2000-09-14T12:38:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by darkcool \* > \*\*Why is it that no one lifts an eye at the Latin Emmys, when if they had an Anglo (only) Emmys everyone would go apeshit? \*\* I had just heard of the Latin Emmys the day before the regular Emmys. Is it restricted to productions whose main language is Spanish, Portuguese, French, and/or Italian? Or can Latino actors in English productions be nominated, e.g., Robert Beltran or Roxann Dawson? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/11 "2000-09-14T14:14:11Z")
Damn, I’m sorry I missed this. A couple of cozy hours on the sofa with Jennifer Lopez’s ass would’ve really hit the spot last night. And I heard Ricky Martin sang a medley of his hit. Thanx and a tip of the hat to David Letterman! – Ukulele “Can Blue Men Sing the Whites?” Ike ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/12 "2000-09-14T14:27:48Z")
Off to GD by request of the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/13 "2000-09-14T15:20:39Z")
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the reason there is no collective ape-shitting over the Latin Grammy’s is because Latin music isn’t that popular. Now don’t go off on me in a screaming fit. I mean, it’s not as popular as “Pop”, for lack of a better word. I’m not defending the music that wins mainstream Grammy’s, which for my money is mostly crap and based more on popularity than artistic merit. If they had a Jug Band Grammy Show, it would be equally ignored. It isn’t a slight on any particular style of music, but rather a statement on where the “general public’s” tastes lie. Take that for what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/14 "2000-09-14T15:23:06Z")
My last post would have been a nice little entry to this discussion, if we had actually been discussing Grammy’s not Emmy’s. And actually after re-reading the thread, I’m still not sure which one we are discussing. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/15 "2000-09-14T15:33:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by darkcool \* > \*\*Why is it that no one lifts an eye at the Latin Emmys, when if they had an Anglo (only) Emmys everyone would go apeshit? \*\* Latin has to do with the type of music more then anything else. I’ve seen some Latin artist that look more anglo then I do. Marc ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/16 "2000-09-14T16:10:28Z")
I just can’t see the great debate here (or even a minor debate). The Latin festival is for latin music by people of any race. I saw plenty of them. Darkcool must be under some mistaken assumption. That’s all I can say. The question makes no sense to me. Maybe someone can explain it better? So… what is it exactly we are debating? ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/17 "2000-09-14T16:19:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ukulele Ike \* > \*\*. . . And I heard Ricky Martin sang a medley of his hit. > > Thanx and a tip of the hat to David Letterman!\*\* I first heard this quip from, of all people, Vicki Lawrence, in the '70s. To redirect your tip, UkeIke. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/18 "2000-09-14T16:26:50Z")
Assuming the OP meant _Grammys_ and not _Emmys_, I’d like to point out that there _is_ an “Anglo Grammys.” It’s called the _Grammys._ The Latin Grammys were created because of the (justifiable) perception that the [Anglo] Grammys tended to, if not outright ignore Latin Music, at least respond inadequately to the recent upsurge in its popularity. To expand the Latin categories of the [Anglo] Grammys (which I assume you don’t object to, as your OP doesn’t mention the R&B categories, etc.) to reflect its current prominence would have entailed splitting the awards ceremony into two nights anyway. So why _not_ acknowledge that the little Latin category has grown up and is ready to be sent out into the world on its own? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/19 "2000-09-14T16:54:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lissener \* > \*\*To redirect your tip, UkeIke. \*\* Yeah, that’s what SHE said. Holy smoke…Letterman stole a joke from THE CAROL BURNETT SHOW? That’s bizarre, huh? This may be one of those jokes that goes back a ways. Grampa probably chuckled over it from a baggy-pants comedian at Niblo’s Garden Theater in 1890. “And Mr. George Cohan will be out later to sing a medley of his hit. No, really, I love the Micks…throw a potato when he comes on.” ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2000, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122/20 "2000-09-14T17:08:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ukulele Ike \* > **. . . Holy smoke…Letterman stole a joke from THE CAROL BURNETT SHOW? . . .** Not even. I’d imagine he’d be proud to do that. IIRC, she was on some cheesy talk show–my horrified mind is trying to tell me it was the Dinah Shore Show–and Vicki quipped thusly after singing “The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia.” Letterman’s bottomfeeding was deeper and darker than you’d imagined. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-racism-intended/33122.md?page=2)