# No seriously: Fuck off, Kanye. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2005, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205 "2005-09-12T04:34:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/81 "2005-09-12T20:41:11Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Not that I’m agreeing with **Askia** by any means, as it’s been well established in another thread that he does not actually understand the definition of “racism,” but not all bigotry and prejudice is necessarily race-based. Lots of bigots out there are prejudiced against gays, for example, which is by no means racist. Agreed, but in the anecdote I was citing (that Askia was disagreeing with) we were dealing with what I would classify as racism. Certainly there are other things that are equally as bad/stupid, but here- to me at least- the parameters for racism were pretty much set. But yeah, just chiming in to say that I agree. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/82 "2005-09-12T21:07:15Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > White people are not a persecuted minority. They are in China, Iraq and Liberia. You’re just fine with Kanye because he ragged on Bush. If he were a child molester you’d be fine with it. Hell, you’re happy Katrina came along because it made Bush look bad. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/83 "2005-09-12T21:28:13Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > They are in China, Iraq and Liberia. Cite that white people are persecuted in China? White people are a majority in Iraq (Iraqis are white), unless you’re only talking about Americans, in which case you’re talking about one occupying force of white people being resisted by white insurgents. I lived for two years in Liberia and never got persecuted. > [@](#): > > You’re just fine with Kanye because he ragged on Bush. I thought it was hilarious _how and when_ he ragged on Bush. Other than that I couldn’t care less about the guy. I never even heard of him before that incident. I’m not even saying he’s necessarily _right_ in everything he says (I said in another thread that I think he’s wrong about Bush being a racist) I just think the _reactions_ to what he said are out of proportion an silly. > [@](#): > > If he were a child molester you’d be fine with it. Yeah, right…:rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Hell, you’re happy Katrina came along because it made Bush look bad. Not at all. I was born in Louisiana and I love New Orleans. I’m also not a psychopath. It is absolutely not a worthwhile trade to me to see so many people suffer and die because it might hurt Bush politically. Bush isn’t even up for anymore elections so his poll numbers are meaningless at this point. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/84 "2005-09-12T21:35:53Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I thought it was hilarious _how and when_ he ragged on Bush. Other than that I couldn’t care less about the guy. I never even heard of him before that incident. I’m not even saying he’s necessarily _right_ in everything he says (I said in another thread that I think he’s wrong about Bush being a racist) I just think the _reactions_ to what he said are out of proportion an silly. I’ll admit that was funny, just because of the look on Myers face (and the cut away to Chris Tucker, was it?). The only reason I’m particularly angry-meh, angry isn’t even the right word, I’m just really disliking Kanye and his asshattery- is the fact that this isn’t just one stupid, douche-bag-eque incident from Kanye. We’re going on like five incidents. The guy seems to think he has some amazing knowledge and power, but he’s a rapper. Unfortunately, that gives him a lot of power in the eyes of the youth (but we’ve gone over this). He just annoys me, what can I say? On the upside: I’m totally awaiting the break down, because you KNOW it is going to be HILARIOUS! ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/85 "2005-09-12T21:36:13Z")
> [@Dio](#): > > Waahh, the poor white people. Oh, how you’ve suffered. And what about my people, my race? See [here](http://www.britannia.com/wales/whist.html). > [@](#): > > The history of Wales is primarily a story of struggle. It is a tribute to the people of Wales’ determination to survive against overwhelming odds – a struggle reflected not only in its castle-dominated landscape and its surviving Celtic language, but also in its long literary history. Created in a time when the flood of Germanic pagan invaders from the continent threatened to destroy Christian Celtic civilization in Britain, its history continued through the depredations of the Vikings, the invasions of the Normans, the oppression of the powerful Marcher Lords, and the ever-constant, ever threatening power of the English people and the English language. > > The early literature of Wales, documenting the beginnings of that struggle, was followed by a millennium and a half of writing that tells of the survivors – the Welsh people themselves-- a people that Dylan Thomas, in the 20th century, praised as “not wholly bad or good.” It tells the story of a people who have managed to retain much of their fullness of spirit despite a very early loss of most of their territory and political independence. It tells the story of a people who are still struggling to avert the loss of their ancient culture and language upon which much of that culture depends. > This is the story of that struggle: the theme is constant: it is a struggle for survival against almost impossible odds. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/86 "2005-09-12T21:38:49Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > If he were a child molester you’d be fine with it. **Uglybeech** ’s [Rule](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6517435&postcount=218)! > [@Uglybeech](#): > > It’s the new Hitler argument. These days no thread is complete until someone’s sent in the child molesters. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > (Iraqis are white) I thought Iraqis were Arabs and Iranians were the white ones. Are Arabs White now? Oh, my head hurts now. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/87 "2005-09-12T21:40:28Z")
To me, white _generally_ means of European descent. Of course, South Africans, Northern Italians, some Spanish, etc. etc. etc. could all be considered white. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/88 "2005-09-12T21:55:25Z")
If you’re the old-fashioned type who divides the world into Caucausian, Mongoloid, and Negroid, then Indians and Arabs and Jews and Italians are all Caucausian. Caucausians are the most numerous and diverse of groups and skin color is one of the most diverse yet least important things about them (shape of heads, hair type, etc. are much more interesting in anthropology classes). Anyway, none of those categories are races anyway. A black GI can be racist to an Iraqi if he’s being a jerk to him, but a white one can’t. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/89 "2005-09-12T22:30:14Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > Where on _earth_ has **Diosa** said that it’s fine that it’s not fair for other people? I was speaking more generally about how the white people I see on message boards tend to hate political correctness until there’s some mildly anti-white sentiment expressed, and then they turn into the reverend ML motherfucking K, so very against ALL KINDS OF RACISM (r). ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/90 "2005-09-12T22:36:01Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Not for long. They managed to blend in pretty quickly. Irishness doesn’t show on your skin (I’m half Irish, by the way…I’ve never been persecuted for it). Couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the Irish just plugging away at their work and improving their lives instead of spending all the energy on complaining about it, could it? And when you told someone your name was Sean O’Malley, well it didn’t really matter what color your skin was. (Though, to be fair, they didn’t have that whole slavery thing happening. At least not in such a blatant form) > [@Stephe96](#): > > But you think Kanye is pissed off now? Just wait 'til his next album bombs and he realizes he was simply this year’s Hootie and the Blowfish or Tracy Chapman. Except Chapman had some good music. 😛 I’m going to pay attention to his speeches and music. That way I can start talking just like him. That’ll learn him! YO!!1!1!!1!1 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/91 "2005-09-12T22:38:44Z")
I almost forgot. Whites have to adopt the slang. The best we’ve come up with since English is fucking 733t. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/92 "2005-09-12T22:40:07Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Cite that white people are persecuted in China? Sorry, it’s all anecdotal. > [@](#): > > White people are a majority in Iraq (Iraqis are white) I’ve always thought of the Iraqis as Arabic, not caucasian. The Assyrians, or at least all the ones I know, feel they are caucasian and the Iraqis are not. > [@](#): > > I lived for two years in Liberia and never got persecuted. Sorry, I was thinking of the [Ivory Coast](http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/11/media_egging_on.php). We could toss in Zimbabwe, too, but it’s true that whites are a minority that is persecuted. Besides, a black person could easily live in the United States, UK or France for two years and never get persecuted. _snip Dio defending his life_ You seem to be paying attention to something another anonymous internet poster wrote. Who gives a fuck what some poster wrote? I’m nowhere near as rich, influential or powerful as Kanye. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/93 "2005-09-12T22:43:01Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Oh, what a piece of work is man. :rolleyes: Perhaps. But oh, what a piece of shit is Kanye. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/94 "2005-09-12T22:45:25Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the Irish just plugging away at their work and improving their lives instead of spending all the energy on complaining about it, could it? As a matter of fact, no. If that was the case, then black people would have been able to attain parity just as easily. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/95 "2005-09-12T22:55:14Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > I’ve always thought of the Iraqis as Arabic, not caucasian. The Assyrians, or at least all the ones I know, feel they are caucasian and the Iraqis are not. The Iraqis I’ve known consider themselves to be white. In any case, we’re still talking about resitance to an occupying force (which is not all white, by the way), not the systematic subjegation of a minority by a majority in power. Or are you talking about the victimization of the Kurds? If so, that has nothing to do with skin color. > [@](#): > > Sorry, I was thinking of the [Ivory Coast](http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/11/media_egging_on.php). Ivory Coast natives don’t hate white people, they hate FRENCH people. They’re not exactly alone in that 😉 and their hostility is rooted in resentment of colonialism, not in racial bigotry. > [@](#): > > Besides, a black person could easily live in the United States, UK or France for two years and never get persecuted. I didn’t say blacks were necessarily still being persecuted in the US, I just said white people are definitely NOT. > [@](#): > > _snip Dio defending his life_ > > You seem to be paying attention to something another anonymous internet poster wrote. Who gives a fuck what some poster wrote? I’m nowhere near as rich, influential or powerful as Kanye. You addressed me personally. It was only polite to respond. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/96 "2005-09-12T23:07:14Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > As a matter of fact, no. If that was the case, then black people would have been able to attain parity just as easily. Tell that to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan. What I’m saying is, every black man and woman I currently or have worked with have spent their time striving in life rather than complaining it’s not easy. Again, I know there is still racism, I’ve seen it. But getting ahead in life starts first and foremost with what an individual does with the opportunities available. Unless you can get donations to complain that success isn’t a birthright. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/97 "2005-09-12T23:26:35Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > What I’m saying is, every black man and woman I currently or have worked with have spent their time striving in life rather than complaining it’s not easy. Again, I know there is still racism, I’ve seen it. But getting ahead in life starts first and foremost with what an individual does with the opportunities available. You seem to think that hard work alone gets one ahead. Unfortunately that’s not the case, especially if you’re a minority. Occassionally you need to bitch. See Brown v. Board of Ed., MLK, hell, throw Malcom X in there too. Jackson, Shapton, and Farrakhan are shadows of the great bitches of the past, but they still serve a purpose. > [@duffer](#): > > I almost forgot. Whites have to adopt the slang. The best we’ve come up with since English is fucking 733t. :mad: Teh wh1ties are t3h suxxors! pWN3D!!!11!1! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2005, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/98 "2005-09-12T23:47:11Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Tell that to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan. What I’m saying is, every black man and woman I currently or have worked with have spent their time striving in life rather than complaining it’s not easy. Again, I know there is still racism, I’ve seen it. But getting ahead in life starts first and foremost with what an individual does with the opportunities available. Unless you can get donations to complain that success isn’t a birthright. Equal opportunity is a birthright, and black people historically haven’t had it. It’s not as simple as “working hard.” Working hard obviously isn’t enough. If it was, then black people would have found it as easy to find parity as Irish immigrants (who were not discriminated against for skin color but for being immigrants…abnd their persecution came from other white people). You claimed that the Irish overcame discrimination by working hard instead of "complaining.’ Your implication seems to be that black people complain and don’t work hard. Is that what you’re saying? are you saying that black people are to blame for their social and economic disparity in the US? And when have Jackson or Sharpton or Farrakhan ever said that black people should complain instead of work hard? Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/99 "2005-09-13T00:03:42Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > (Though, to be fair, they didn’t have that whole slavery thing happening. At least not in such a blatant form) Well, that’s mighty white of you to acknowledge “the whole slavery thing.” Don’t forget the whole 2/3 of a person thing, the whole Jim Crow thing, the whole Plessy vs. Fergusson thing, the whole Ku Klux Klan thing, and the whole Southern strategy thing. And thousands of whole other things I’m glossing over. None of these has even remotely been applicable to Irish Americans by the way. Any one of them would make the whole “work hard and equality is coming your way” thing pretty difficult, even for the ruddy-complected Irish Americans. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2005, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205/100 "2005-09-13T00:26:12Z")
Well, I’m nothing if not white. Don’t take it so personal **Hentor**. Let your hate simmer instead of boil over for just one thread, mmmkay? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-seriously-fuck-off-kanye/321205.md?page=6)