# No smoking anywhere on a large corporate campus **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 9, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209 "2017-05-09T18:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/101 "2017-05-12T19:27:28Z")
> [@constanze](#): > > Where’s he at - Scotland? Seattle? Does it rain/ snow 200 days of the year? I have a real hard time understanding that your friend doesn’t want to get the minimal exercise of Walking a few hundred Yards (maybe with an Anorak on) to avoid the weather unless he lives in a truly terrible place. (Although: does he spend his off-time inside, too? Why not move where the weather is nicer?) I wondered as well, but there are enough wet/snowy days to justify it, I guess. In the winter he doesn’t need a coat. Oh, and I’ve paced off the distance from his front door to his work door and it is 85 yards. I drive 12-15 minutes to work. I do not own an umbrella, and do not bother with a coat most days since I’m in an integral garage at home and park five feet from my door at work. If I didn’t have three dogs and a parrot with me it would be even more convenient. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/102 "2017-05-12T19:44:58Z")
You take 3 dogs and a parrot to work with you? ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/103 "2017-05-12T19:49:27Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > Sorry, but they do. Even smoking outdoors, the smoke gets in the clothes. On a regular basis I will get in a lift (elevator) at work and can immediately smell cigarette smoke. It’s not because someone has been smoking in there, it’s because they have been outside for a smoke and then come back in and used the lift. It doesn’t particularly bother me but it’s not pleasant. To clarify - this is when the smoker is no longer in the lift, so the smoker themselves must certainly smell at least as bad. In the bad old days when smoking had few restrictions, whenever I went out in public, even though I never smoked myself, the smell was on my clothes when I came home. They had to immediately go into the washer and the coats hung outside. Just taking them off and leaving them in the room made the room smell for hours, and after enough time, everything in the room smelled. Hanging the coat up in the closet would have been a major mistake. I’m so glad things have changed. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/104 "2017-05-12T20:30:54Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > In the bad old days when smoking had few restrictions, whenever I went out in public, even though I never smoked myself, the smell was on my clothes when I came home. They had to immediately go into the washer and the coats hung outside. Just taking them off and leaving them in the room made the room smell for hours, and after enough time, everything in the room smelled. Hanging the coat up in the closet would have been a major mistake. > > I’m so glad things have changed. My younger sister, now dead from this habit, gave us some new bath and kitchen towels that she had in her closet. After multiple washings we were unable to get the cigarette stench out of them and they were exiled to the man cave/car shop. I used a few for an oil change but just couldn’t escape the cigarette smell and eventually put them all on the yard debris burn pile. Cigarette smokers who think that others cannot smell it are delusional. The olfactory nerve is easily fatigued and you can get used to the foulest of odors. They really cannot smell it. Other people can. I used to work in a fish reduction plant and the smell of rotting, fetid carcasses and maggot soup was over powering on Monday morning, a half hour later I could shovel that shit while drinking a Pepsi or eating a sandwich. Look up olfactory nerve fatigue. Cigarette smokers should use the same protocol that pot smokers have used for years. Private, unobtrusive, and discrete. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/105 "2017-05-12T20:54:06Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Cigarette smokers should use the same protocol that pot smokers have used for years. Private, unobtrusive, and discrete. Which suggests the solution is to make tobacco illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/106 "2017-05-12T20:59:24Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Cigarette smokers who think that others cannot smell it are delusional. The olfactory nerve is easily fatigued and you can get used to the foulest of odors. They really cannot smell it. Other people can. Yeah, I remember coming home from the bar and having to wash or leave a coat to air out at the end of the evening. I dated a smoker recently, and I would get a smoky smell on my clothes that would still be there the next day, even though it was well ventilated and we had some distance between us. I would get a similar effect from the smoke in the furniture in her apartment even though she wouldn’t smoke inside while I was there. It really smells a lot more than smokers realize. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/107 "2017-05-13T03:45:23Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > Neither of them are using recreational drugs Sorry – our definitions/classifications are just too far apart for a meaningful exchange here. But maybe we’ll be able to take it up again sometime. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/108 "2017-05-13T11:35:40Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > You take 3 dogs and a parrot to work with you? Heh, yes. My business, so my rules. I have two employees who bring their dogs also. I’m in a rural area, well off them road, with acres of fields behind the building. The parrot has a playground in my office area. My Jeep Wrangler has the back seat removed to make room for the dogs, and the passenger seat is rigged to accommodate the bird’s travel cage. It’s a one person Wrangler, unfortunately. The last time I gave someone an emergency ride, they had to lie in the back and came out covered in dog hair. ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/109 "2017-05-13T20:48:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > How long is it that you have been observing these hoo-mans now? A few decades, and somebody using that reason (bad weather) to drive a short distance would be laughed at first for being an idiot, and then lectured about polluting the enviroment by driving his car over here. Because we expect able-bodied people using their legs to walk around. “He uses the car to drive over to buy cigarettes from the machine” is an older expression for somebody who’s incredibly lazy and dumb and wasteful here. ---
**Author:** ![JHBoom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/13edae/32.png) [@JHBoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JHBoom)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/110 "2017-05-14T00:44:00Z")
Two of the large aerospace corporations I’ve worked for in the past decade have been smoke-free campuses; both have areas just outside a property entry point where all the smokers congregate. I was an employee at one when the decision was made to go smoke-free, which applied to both direct employees and contractors. We were notified almost 4 months in advance of the smoke-free date, and the company offered paid smoking cessation classes, and offered to pay 100% for anti-smoking products (nicotine gum, Chantix, patch, etc.) for one year after the smoke-free date, for direct employees. Only a small number of smokers at my facility took advantage of these offers. Others decided to play barracks lawyer and attempted to use our facility’s status as a company-leased location on a state-owned airport, as justification for not following the corporate policy. Eventually, after much facility management vs. barracks lawyers “discussion”, this resulted in the airport manager, a state employee, telling the smokers that as long as they were out of direct line-of-sight of our facility while smoking, he would consider that “off campus”, which our facility management eventually agreed to. One contractor packed up his tools and left the day before the smoke-free policy went into effect, because he refused to walk the 170ft (measured) from the door of our facility to the spot behind the treeline where our die-hard smokers had made themselves a smoke pit. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2017, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/111 "2017-05-14T03:26:08Z")
> [@constanze](#): > > A few decades, and somebody using that reason (bad weather) to drive a short distance would be laughed at first for being an idiot, and then lectured about polluting the enviroment by driving his car over here. Because we expect able-bodied people using their legs to walk around. “He uses the car to drive over to buy cigarettes from the machine” is an older expression for somebody who’s incredibly lazy and dumb and wasteful here. This is a country that voted Trump into the WH, and you find it “real hard” to understand that that some people are incredibly lazy, dumb and wasteful? I’d apply for a grant for at least another decade of study from the IXI\* if I were you. 😉 \*Intergalactic Xeno-anthropolgy Institute ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/112 "2017-05-15T13:29:52Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Heh, yes. My business, so my rules. I have two employees who bring their dogs also. I’m in a rural area, well off them road, with acres of fields behind the building. The parrot has a playground in my office area. > > My Jeep Wrangler has the back seat removed to make room for the dogs, and the passenger seat is rigged to accommodate the bird’s travel cage. It’s a one person Wrangler, unfortunately. The last time I gave someone an emergency ride, they had to lie in the back and came out covered in dog hair. That’s cool. I thought I might have been misreading it. Good setup for a joke too: “A man walks into the office with 3 dogs and a parrot…” Unfortunately, I got nothing after that :o ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/113 "2017-05-15T15:22:58Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Heh, yes. My business, so my rules. I hope you take this in the spirit its intended but -------- I love you, man. 😃 You have GOT to visit Knoebels amusement park – Dick and Bud are much the same way. This place is the size of Kennywood but as long as your pet is on a leash and under control its as welcome as you are. ---
**Author:** ![Buttercup\_Smith](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buttercup_smith/32/473_2.png) [@Buttercup\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buttercup_Smith)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/114 "2017-05-15T16:33:38Z")
I bring my dog to work most days. I quit smoking ten days ago and let me tell you, it is the hardest thing I have ever done. My sense of smell is returning and I can smell smoke on my employees when they smoke. I only have four employees and three of them smoke. Our rule is 50 feet from the building but we don’t usually follow it. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/115 "2017-05-15T16:34:32Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Which suggests the solution is to make tobacco illegal. Sounds good to me. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/116 "2017-05-15T17:17:58Z")
> [@kopek](#): > > You have GOT to visit Knoebels amusement park – Dick and Bud are much the same way. This place is the size of Kennywood but as long as your pet is on a leash and under control its as welcome as you are. OK, I’ve been at their website now for nearly an hour. We’re going to have to check the place out, if only for the coasters! Only a 3 hour and 19 minute drive from my house. Thanks!!! ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209/117 "2017-05-15T17:18:33Z")
> [@JHBoom](#): > > One contractor packed up his tools and left the day before the smoke-free policy went into effect, because he refused to walk the 170ft (measured) from the door of our facility to the spot behind the treeline where our die-hard smokers had made themselves a smoke pit. I guess These People are the ones who can’t be bothered to properly dispose of the butts, either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-smoking-anywhere-on-a-large-corporate-campus/786209.md?page=5)