Same here. I do not use tobacco, but when Pittsburgh instituted their initial “No Smoking In Bars” law, I helped a bar-owning friend fight it.
When we won and he was free to allow smoking in his bar, he instituted a “No Smoking In My Bar” rule, which was great.
If that is your issue, the residual smell on clothing and all, what you need to look for is a company that bans all smoking by employees and not just all smoking on company property. Lets face it, the serious pack-a-day-or-more crowd is going to smell to you and many like you even if their last butt was six or more hours ago when they were home sitting in their living-room.
I have a couple coworkers who smell like ashtrays even to those of us who don’t find it offensive on the level you do. The trouble is we’re not even sure they smoke; two in particular have never been seen smoking ever. Maybe they do, maybe someone in their household does - who knows?
It’s 2017. Who the hell still smokes?
Absolutely totally fair.
All those addicts, who else.
It is listed as one of the toughest addictions to break from everything I’ve read over the years.
On a similar topic, that I can agree with for both smokers and non-smokers:
No smoking in Iowa rest stops, except in your car. According to the sign, there’s even a “tattle-tale” number for you to report offenders. Some local Iowan legislator got his (or her) panties in a knot the day that law was passed.
Yeah! And who still does heroin??
Your typical functional heroin addict is in better health than a tobacco smoker. (Also his coworkers are a lot less likely to be exposed to secondhand heroin.)
Is your typical functional heroin addict in better health than someone who vapes? Or uses an E-cigarette? Do either of those two expose coworkers to second-hand smoke? Does a smoking area in the far reaches of the parking lot expose coworkers to second-hand smoke?
In any event, I object to using what year it is as a way to disparage smokers. Why does the year matter for smoking but not for heroin usage? Or cocaine or crack smoking? You wouldn’t say “It’s 2017! Who still uses meth?”
I find it impossible to believe that people smell like smoke when they are done smoking, given I am biased, since I smoke a few a day (literally 3-5 lights). Even my physician cannot tell, even by the sound of my lungs, let alone smell. I think it’s a problem with general cleanliness. Wash your hands and chew some gum. Don’t violate anyone else personal space with it, throw the butts in a receptacle. No issues then. What bothers the hell out of me is those people who wear cologne and that doesn’t leave the room with them. Or the surprising amount of people who smell like alcohol MID DAY! Yuck. I’ll take smoker stank any day. Just my opinion here.
I think the CDC puts it at around 15% of the population and some sources as high as 25%; I’ll split the difference and say probably around 20%. It’s down but still a fair chunk of the population.
Heroin is the “It Girl” of the Twenty-teens. All the cool people are doing it.
My workplace banning smoking on the campus was one of the factors that entered into my decision to quit smoking over 14 years ago. When the ban was announced mu first reaction was “well, I will just quit.” Then I realized I was talking about quitting a job I loved over cigarettes. That brought me up short, damn quick.
As for the smokers smelling of smoke (stinking, really) it’s true. I just did not realize it until I quit. Smokers stink. Truth.
One of the problems with banning smoking in a large area is the problem of excessive signage. Even though people know the rule and see the signs, they still light up. Enforcing smoking laws is going to be virtually impossible as the size of your area increases, but you can still put up lots of signs!
Yes, I know. And they think they can get away with stealth smoking and people (liek their husband/wife) dont know.:rolleyes:
It’s strange to me how adamant smokers are that they should be allowed to use recreational drugs at work, and treat it like a violation of their rights if a business decides they don’t want clouds of smoke and piles of cigarette butts annoying their visitors and other employees.
Its not so strange to me. The guy with the cross on his safety vest and Virgin Mary panel across his back car window annoys me and a lot of other people; do we fire or demand he change? The lady who puts her perfume on with a spray gun literally makes some of us sick; should we can her as well? If a work place or company is big enough, someone there is going to be doing something perfectly legal others find annoying; so the question becomes just how far do we want to take it?
Most of us have some line we draw before us; ban 90% of the things we could name and I could care less. But when the one company I worked for dropped insurance coverage for us motorcyclists ------- my resignation went in the next day. Yep, I admit it – I’m addicted to two wheels and have been for ages. That happens to be my recreational drug of choice. And as far as I’m concerned, no job is worth giving that one up. The day I can’t park it next to your car, I’ll either look for a good attorney or a different job. I’ll be quite frank, I don’t care what image you think it promotes or if you find it annoying, it happens to be mine and I’m not going to quit. Maybe that makes me a little more understanding of the cigarette crowd.
Sorry, but they do. Even smoking outdoors, the smoke gets in the clothes. On a regular basis I will get in a lift (elevator) at work and can immediately smell cigarette smoke. It’s not because someone has been smoking in there, it’s because they have been outside for a smoke and then come back in and used the lift. It doesn’t particularly bother me but it’s not pleasant. To clarify - this is when the smoker is no longer in the lift, so the smoker themselves must certainly smell at least as bad.
It’s really not strange to you that a company wants to limit the use of recreational drugs at work? How far does this attitude towards recreational activities on company property go, I’ll go the other direction from your questions - should it be fine for me to break out some rope and paddles and do a little S&M scene in the break area? I mean, sure, it annoys people, but it doesn’t even expose other people to carcinogens.
Neither of them are using recreational drugs, and religion hits a specific protected class, so I’m not really sure of the relevance. And even then, Religious symbols on company equipment and preaching is something I would encourage the company to ‘demand he change’. Perfume lady making people sick also should be made to change, as she’s hurting other people in the office and reducing productivity.
As both a former heroin addict and a smoker, this is the exact opposite of my experiences. Even with the weasel word “functional” stuck in there, heroin is far harder on the body than cigarettes. Also, did you know you can smoke heroin? It’s actually more common than needles depending on the type of addicts you are hanging with. So yes, you can actually get secondhand heroin.
Interesting fact - did you know that over 80% of people diagnosed with schizophrenia smoke? When I spent some time in a mental institution, out of 20 patients we had 19 smokers. For some, its a form of self-medication.