No snakes in Ireland-true?

OK, time to wind up a few untruths.

True: There are no native snakes in Ireland, for the Ice Age reason explained above. Australia broke off much earlier that Ireland, but you can assume that There were snakes there before it broke away from pangea.
As for the Irish building everything, well, It wouldn’t surprise me. Considering that Irish civilisation dates back to about 2000 years before the pyramids were built…

:wink:

It would also explain how those giant rocks were moved, and how it took so long.
Irish Builders.

an afterthought…

As for writing the Bible, its not that false actually. Alot of the manuscripts that modern day bibles are translated from were created by monks in Irish Monasteries.

While watching National Geographic Explorer earlier this week, I was stunned to discover that Hawaii actually does have poisonous snakes … sometimes. The yellow-bellied sea snake occasionally slithers onto the land, although it spends the vast majority of its life at sea.

The only U.S. state that has never reported a venomous snake is Alaska.

I missed the “Geographica” question based on this info. Damn.

That’s odd…I would think Alaska would be too freaking cold for snakes. As well as Siberia, and probably Antartica.

Garter Snakes occur as far north as the Yukon, and have been recorded in Alaska but are very rare there. The Adder is the northernmost snake, occurring as far north as the Arctic Circle in Scandinavia. Snakes can survive in northern areas as long as they have suitable areas to hibernate.

There are of course no snakes, or for that matter terrestrial vertebrates of any kind, in Antarctica. (Penguins, seals, etc. being aquatic). The largest terrestrial animal is an insect, IIRC.

I heard it was the Druids. Which is a pagan religion yes, but I heard it was the only Pagan religion St. Patrick focused on. The guy who told me this was supposedly a “Druid” too.

It’s true that there is no abundance of snakes here but because of the damp weather there are so many snails. When it’s rains (which is every other day) they come out and do snail things. Some even take to the pavement defying all snail logic that the world is flat and there is something past the sidewalk and bravely try to cross.

I’ve had friends back in the States that have snakes for pets and when I’ve brought it up in conversation the Irish folks around seem to be utterly repulsed at the idea of snakes in the house.

More like amphibious.

Has anyone tried to introduce snakes back into the eco-system there? Probably not…icky!

I did hear that there is an amphibian creature with no legs like a snake…icky!
WAAAAHHH!!!

(I knew I was spelling Antarctica wrong…it looked wrong, but I couldn’t figure out what was missing…d’oh!)

St. Patrick drove the Pagans out of Ireland, but I really don’t see a good reason to, besides them not being Christian. The Celts were a very advanced civilization that stretched as far as Spain, and the Druids taught a meaningful gospel as far as I’m concerned. The Celts gave women equal rights to property and land and were a system of individual tribes that could operate as one if needed, a somewhat anarchinistic society that always gave room and board to visitors and to whom turning down a party was to deny one’s gift of life.

In my opinion, the Church destroyed two of the most advanced civilizations ever by converting them, namely the Norse(who were farmers traditionally, not warriors that looted and plundered… though they did that too) and the Celts.

All reasons why I’ve got my celtic pride tattoo on my left shoulder and my Norse Viking on my right, representing both of my ethnicities.

Guinastasia: Legless amphibians are SOOOO not icky :slight_smile: !!! They’re called Caecilians ( Order Gymnophiona or Apoda depending on your preference) and are, in fact, tres cool :smiley: . They’re pretty much exclusively fossorial ( burrowers ) and are spiffy little predators that eat earthworms and the like. For the most part they’re tropical in distribution and not a terribly diverse lot. But they’re pretty cool looking. Ever see that cult classic by Ken Russel, Lair of the White Worm? Shrink down the critter in that and you’ve got a pretty decent Caecilian :stuck_out_tongue: .

And really, the dearth of snakes in Ireland is cause for sorrow, not elation :wink: . Time to shed your phobias and climb aboard the opidiophile bandwagon :smiley: .

Mick: Wellll…I think you’re exagerrating just a bit on your history. The Celts were relatively advanced for a “barbarian” people in some respects, such as agriculture. That’s why Gaul and Britain were such valuable conquests for the Roman State - They assimilated readily and were quite productive, once subdued ( and incidentally the pre-Christian Romans and Germans absorbed a far larger portion of the Celtic world than “The Christians” ever converted ).

But to imply that they were a peaceful folk is a bit silly. They most certainly were NOT. From their first appearance in recorded history, when one group burst across the borders of Thrace, set Ptolemy Keraunos’ head on a stake ( and incidentally opened the gate for the establishment of the Antigonid dynasty on the throne of Macedonia ), and then surged into Asia Minor to establish Galatia, to the final conversion of the Irish and the Picts ( when the Leinster Irish were slave-raiding and colonizing the coasts of Wales and Cornwall ), they were an aggressive, expansionist people. Hence their establishment at one point ( as you pointed out )across the breadth of Europe and their continual attempts to penetrate further ( Northern Italy for example ). They may have become more settled as time went on and therefore vulnerable to pressure from fresh “barbarian” waves ( i.e. the West Germans ). But they never ceased to be a society that valued the warrior ideal. And the same goes for the North Germans ( Vikings ).

Also, I gotta say that the notion that…

…is going a bit overboard as well. I don’t think that kind of universal political unity can be posited. Sure shifting tribal alliances were common and the Celts probably recognized a common bond, linguistically and culturally. But a ( even temporarily ) unified state across Europe? I don’t see it. ( My apologies if I misunderstood your point ).

Whether they were more egalitarian, pre-conversion, is a different question and an open one. I wouldn’t doubt it, necessarily. Christianity did seem to travel hand in hand with stricter notions of social hiearchy than those usually found in tribal societies ( although whether the one derived from the other is also an open question - it may have just been an artifact of Christianity being pushed by more organized, sedentary, hiearchical states ). However I am a little dubious about some of the claims of gender equality in these pre-Christian tribes. A little less patriarchal? Quite possibly. Non-patriarchal? The evidence doesn’t seem to be there. I get the impression that some of the more extreme claims of gynocentrism in tribal Europe ( as opposed to the much better established hypotheses on the same in Crete ) may be the result of some modern Neo-Pagan reconstructionists making leaps of faith based on scanty evidence and wishful thinking ( and I say that without meaning to disparage modern Pagans as a whole, many of whom are fine folk ).

Of course the specific claims YOU made in that regard aren’t particularly outlandish, to my mind :slight_smile: .

Just MHO :slight_smile: .

  • Tamerlane

**Mick{/b]: Oops! Sorry - That’s what I get for reading posts at 4 a.m. . You never said the Celts were particularly peaceful, did you? My bad.

Never mind :smiley: .

  • Tamerlane

Tamerlane, I was all set to bag on you for calling them amphibians, and before posting, I double-checked… The only reference I can find, refers to Caecilians as both reptiles AND amphibians. Now what’s up with THAT?
:confused:

Bboy:

I have no idea :slight_smile: . Caecilian is the common name traditionally given to the amphibians in the Order Gymnophiona ( formerly Apoda - changed due to nomenclatural priority ). There is, within the Gymnophiona, a family Caecilidae, a subfamily Caecilinae, and a genus Caecilia - All named in 1825. In total the order includes 162 ( or so ) extant species in 34 genera and six families.

There is, in addition, a unique group of primitive legless squamate reptiles that form the suborder Amphisbaenia. i.e. it is a sister taxa to the snakes and lizards, the other suborders in Order Squamata. Plus there are various legless lizards ( suborder Lacertilia ).

It could be that originally Caecilian was an old common name for any legless herp ( reptile and amphibians ). Don’t know, really. But in modern literature, it nowadays refers only to the aforementioned amphibians.

Who are cool :slight_smile: . I hope to see one someday ( tropical burrowers aren’t real easy to find ).

  • Tamerlane

Whoops - Slight error in the above post. The family and subfamily were named and ( presumably ) described by Gray in 1825. But the genus Caecilia was named by none other than grampa Linnaeus himself, back in 1758.

  • Tamerlane

I’m amazed no one has mentioned the OTHER island with no snakes…

ICELAND! :smiley:

— G. Raven