# No sympathy for you, people who keep getting suckered by internet schlock **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768 "2013-12-07T20:07:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/41 "2013-12-12T15:56:25Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Every policy I’ve had for the last–oh, fifteen years or so–has included a uninsured/underinsured motorist rider. That’s a good point. OTOH, it does not excuse the kind of thinking behind “what do I care - the other guy is paying extra for irresponsible fuck-ups like me”. So what if I steal your credit card - you are only responsible for the first $50 or so. So what if I break into your garage and steal your stuff - your homeowner’s insurance will cover most of it. And so on. IYSWIM. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/42 "2013-12-12T16:01:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That’s a good point. OTOH, it does not excuse the kind of thinking behind “what do I care - the other guy is paying extra for irresponsible fuck-ups like me”. That’s a good point, too. The problem is that the world is full of irresponsible fuck-ups, and we have to protect ourselves from them somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/43 "2013-12-12T17:07:00Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Of course, I haven’t said that but hey, whatever floats your boat. > > I really don’t get folks like you tho. Supposedly, you care about poor people and you care about children, but you don’t see anything wrong with people who are already poor making sure they’ll never get ahead by having too many children, too soon. And you don’t see anything wrong with those children being raised poor. And you don’t see anything wrong with people acting like irresponsible idiots and screwing up the lives of those around them. How does that work? I like how you deny holding a view in the same breath as you reassert it (for the millionth time). It’s so very special. And that’s why we love you, **curlcoat** : your complete and utter lack of self-awareness. Well, maybe love is not the right word. How about “violently dislike” ? ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/44 "2013-12-12T17:08:47Z")
Um, you quoted **curlcoat** not **Clothahump** , could it be that you are confusing two different posters? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/45 "2013-12-12T17:15:20Z")
No, I just used the wrong name :smack:. Reported for mod edit. ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/46 "2013-12-12T19:20:12Z")
> [@The Great Sun Jester](#): > > You’ve made my brain bleed because … well, given the general R activity with regard to welfare, Planned Parenthood, and abortion this is a great big rhetorical question that begs for “YES!” So, which Republican Congressclown fucked her? Because that’s the only way you can get a _rationally supportable_ ‘yes’ to this question: > [@curlcoat](#): > > Republicans forced her to get pregnant… ? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/47 "2013-12-12T19:30:23Z")
> [@The Great Sun Jester](#): > > \ But misanthropic as I am, I’m not willing to say who should breathe and who should become fertilizer. I’ll do it! 😃 > [@Shodan](#): > > That’s a good point. OTOH, it does not excuse the kind of thinking behind “what do I care - the other guy is paying extra for irresponsible fuck-ups like me”. > > So what if I steal your credit card - you are only responsible for the first $50 or so. So what if I break into your garage and steal your stuff - your homeowner’s insurance will cover most of it. And so on. > > IYSWIM. > > Regards, > Shodan That’s the kind of attitude I’m talking about; “I’m poor, so the world owes me, and I’ll just do as I please regardless of how it affects other people.” > [@Frank](#): > > That’s a good point, too. The problem is that the world is full of irresponsible fuck-ups, and we have to protect ourselves from them somehow. Yup. I will also take every chance I get to argue with someone espousing an attitude that you should try to get away with things that victimize other people if you can just because you’re poor. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/48 "2013-12-12T19:55:03Z")
Don’t skimp on insurance if you live in a no-pay-no-play state. If you get hit and it’s someone else’s fault, you are legally barred from recovering if you’re uninsured. Louisiana is the only one I know of, but Sun Jester could opine more knowledgeably than I on that topic. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/49 "2013-12-12T20:12:09Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I’ll do it! 😃 It was early. I hadn’t had my coffee yet or talked to a dozen uninsured vicitms who think they need $100,000 for a whiplash claim. I am ready to start playing God now. > [@Rachellelogram](#): > > Don’t skimp on insurance if you live in a no-pay-no-play state. If you get hit and it’s someone else’s fault, you are legally barred from recovering if you’re uninsured. Louisiana is the only one I know of, but Sun Jester could opine more knowledgeably than I on that topic. California as well I think, but as always, it depends on the state you’re living in. About all I’m willing to say I know these days is, I like chili and…no that’s it. I like chili. And nachos. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/50 "2013-12-13T02:20:54Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I have a problem with it. When I hear stories like Tirado (fictionalized or real), I roll my eyes because I really have a hard time sympathizing with people who are mired in poverty, complain about how much it sucks, but then have not one, but multiple kids so that they can have company in their misery. > > But I also recognize that we can’t do anything about it unless we’re all willing to give up our reproductive freedoms. I don’t want the state, in its current form, to decide who and who can’t have kids. Not unless we developed fool-proof contraception that has no side effects and can be effectively turned off the moment you get a good-paying job. > > Until we get to that point, we just need to recognize that people will have babies under a variety of non-ideal circumstances and try to mitigate as best we can. Or, we can quit paying them to have kids. I know a lot of folks don’t look at it that way, but the reality is we send poor people all kinds of things simply because they reproduced. Sometimes they use it wisely, most of the time they don’t so the kids don’t end up getting raised very well. I really do think we are at the point that kids who are born to people already on welfare would be better off raised in an orphanage. They’d live someplace with heat/AC, get three good meals a day, good clothes, get as good an education as the local public schools can offer and not grow up with the poor example of their parents. And their parents wouldn’t have an incentive to have a bunch of kids, so if they really did want to move up the economic ladder they’d have a far better chance. And even if we did get that perfect birth control, some wouldn’t use it for religious reasons and other wouldn’t use it because they’d want to create babies in poverty anyway! :smack: > [@Smapti](#): > > Knowing that not spending $20 now is going to cost you $2000 down the road doesn’t do you much good if you don’t have $20 in the first place. Well, condoms and the Pill can be purchased at any drug store. > [@The Great Sun Jester](#): > > This argument has good flavor, but works the same for poor folks in America and about 80% of the world’s population in general. I think it’s missing a few elements of reality like, “children bring with them a visceral sense of hope of better days, and the drive to make them is instinctive and strong.” I could spend all day pounding away at it to make the point, but “Don’t make babby until you can afford it” is a naive and privileged opinion. How about, “don’t make babby if you can’t afford it, if you want to keep it?” as above? The drive to make them may be instinctive and strong, but people manage to control all their other drives until appropriate. > [@Kobal2](#): > > I like how you deny holding a view in the same breath as you reassert it (for the millionth time). It’s so very special. And that’s why we love you, **curlcoat** : your complete and utter lack of self-awareness. > Well, maybe love is not the right word. How about “violently dislike” ? This made more sense when it had the wrong poster name in it. But again, if you want to make incoherent shit up, fine by me! ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/51 "2013-12-13T13:45:54Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Well, condoms and the Pill can be purchased at any drug store. > > How about, “don’t make babby if you can’t afford it, if you want to keep it?” as above? The drive to make them may be instinctive and strong, but people manage to control all their other drives until appropriate. Ever used a rubber? I’ll let wimmins with more experience expound on the result of how things run when they insist on their use–all my information is second-hand and limited in scope, probably slanted a bit too much toward “extraordinarily negative”. **As for the pill** , sure, it’s at any drug store just like ritalin, oxycodone and morphine suckers so anyone can just … oh wait, you need a doctor’s note. Well no problem healthcare is free foor poor people…oh, it’s not? Well there’s always Planned Paren…oh, wait. Dipshit. There is a HUGE movement in this country to do stuff that removes the ability of the poor to get themselves access to all those mounds of birth control devices in any drugstore. If I were to put on my ultraconservative, “I got mine, you get yours” hat I would be doing everything I could to stop the poor from spawning like mice so they would be unecumbered from doing stuff like getting educated, staying healthy, and becoming a cog in the capitalist machine. Don’t make babby if you can’t afford it? Again, naive and privileged. Of the lower income families I’ve known, (close family and friends) the cycle runs like: - “knocked up at 16” because parents didn’t address birth control for whatever reason (working a lot, drunk, didn’t think about it, _encouraged_ it). - You has babby! You need income. The family model says, “get a breadwinner” so you can look after babby. Maybe the real dad sticks around, maybe he doesn’t. Maybe you kicked his worthless ass out. Maybe he’s moved on to the next piece. - Good luck finding breadwinner who’ll care for someone else’s spawn. He may stick around and support you, though. As long as he gets his way (see condoms). - Real life ensues Admittedly my sample size is pretty small (Arkansas & Mississippi white trash & Seattle welfare class) and I’ll gladly take corrections, but what I’ve seen is women who effectively lose control of their lives at a very early age, and men who willingly exploit their desperation. And these people become the role models, and danged if their kids don’t act just like them. (Jeez…thread drift much?) ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/52 "2013-12-13T21:43:26Z")
> [@The Great Sun Jester](#): > > Admittedly my sample size is pretty small (Arkansas & Mississippi white trash & Seattle welfare class) and I’ll gladly take corrections, but what I’ve seen is women who effectively lose control of their lives at a very early age, and men who willingly exploit their desperation. And these people become the role models, and danged if their kids don’t act just like them. > (Jeez…thread drift much?) Yes, I’ve used a “rubber”, and yes the Pill requires an RX but after that one can go to the corner drug store for a whole year. Healthcare is damn near free for poor people. No, just because one is “knocked up” at 16 doesn’t mean one has to end up with “babby”. Yes, women give up control of their lives at an early age, most because we let them. All of this crap are excuses to do what they want - have kids and get someone else to support them. I lived with that Seattle (area) welfare class for years, so it isn’t like I haven’t seen them make these same decisions over and over, until I got out. Yup, thread drift. I’m not allowed to have an opinion on “babbys” here. I make a comment and people jump on it. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2013, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-sympathy-for-you-people-who-keep-getting-suckered-by-internet-schlock/675768/53 "2013-12-13T22:37:26Z")
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