# No-tell Motel of Sidekicks Unspoiled Heroes Mafia Thread (Players Stay Out!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 15, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680 "2011-01-15T03:35:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/181 "2011-02-14T23:40:30Z")
Wow, what a game. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/182 "2011-02-14T23:44:18Z")
Can we get an updated player list? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/183 "2011-02-14T23:48:00Z")
I’ll put it in the game thread. Feel free to check for errors. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/184 "2011-02-15T01:04:13Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I mean, how short lived was my gambit of being JUST the vote charger? If you had maintained that you were merely the vote charger, i would have voted you. I knew (and probably chronos, too) that the doctor was the vote charger. Playing inconsistently to that would have gotten you lynched. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/185 "2011-02-15T01:04:45Z")
Final Votes was a dumb idea. I wanted to clear it before anyone did it. Meh, some other time, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/186 "2011-02-15T01:08:57Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > If you had maintained that you were merely the vote charger, i would have voted you. I knew (and probably chronos, too) that the doctor was the vote charger. Playing inconsistently to that would have gotten you lynched. The Wisdom of re-using a game, save for color notwithstanding\*,\*\* I think this sucks immensely. \*\* Town does not need to play in a more restrictive environment. Scum can do any and everything. \*\*Why does town take it upon themselves to restrain themselves even more? \*\*It’s already cramped quarters. - The conversation on this will wait till the game ends. If indeed it is a 100% re-hash. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/187 "2011-02-15T01:16:09Z")
**Meeko** , can you try rephrasing your last post to be something more comprehensible? I’m always interested in discussing mafia game theory, but I don’t know what you’re saying. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/188 "2011-02-15T01:17:08Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > **Meeko** , can you try rephrasing your last post to be something more comprehensible? I’m always interested in discussing mafia game theory, but I don’t know what you’re saying. He’s saying it sucks for Town if this is a reuse of an older game setup, only mixed with new color. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/189 "2011-02-15T01:19:25Z")
It sucks for scum too, since some of us knew how many there were and what roles to expect. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/190 "2011-02-15T02:20:40Z")
I haven’t been paying attention to this game at all, but did Meeko seriously get heat for only claiming Vote Charger? That’s ridiculous. When I was Dumbledore in HP Mafia, I planned to do the exact same thing. I was even going to go as far as to claim that my power had a restriction that would make it very unlikely that I’d invoke it(although I would to prove that the power existed). If pressed on this, I would have said that whoever I vote charged could not be protected the following Night. Which would have been 100% true. Just not the _whole_ truth. Claiming doc when one can prove their towniness in another way is just stupid. There are some things that the town just doesn’t need to know. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/191 "2011-02-15T03:15:44Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > I haven’t been paying attention to this game at all, but did Meeko seriously get heat for only claiming Vote Charger? That’s ridiculous. When I was Dumbledore in HP Mafia, I planned to do the exact same thing. I was even going to go as far as to claim that my power had a restriction that would make it very unlikely that I’d invoke it(although I would to prove that the power existed). If pressed on this, I would have said that whoever I vote charged could not be protected the following Night. > > Which would have been 100% true. Just not the _whole_ truth. > Claiming doc when one can prove their towniness in another way is just stupid. There are some things that the town just doesn’t need to know. Exactly. Forgot you went the same route here Rysto. But FTR, I was getting heat for … I’m not sure. I knew I would have to claim, so I typed out claiming just to be the Charger… figuring as you did. Skeezix was more or less spokesperson for Town at this point, and he asked me to full claim. I’ve had numerous PMs with Maha this game, and I told him that I was more or less done with the game. Skeezix wanted me to hang myself, so meh. Why not. I was out anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/192 "2011-02-15T03:23:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > He’s saying it sucks for Town if this is a reuse of an older game setup, only mixed with new color. \*\*Those are your words. \*\* I’m not sure if you got what you wanted out of this game, Maha. I mean, it seems to short change some aspect. \*\*Scum doesn’t need yet another advantage, such as knowing it’s heard this joke before. Also, I wonder what Pants, Sushi, and Wolf were thinking. \*\* - **Pleonast** : Town enters the game XX feet behind scum. It does Town no good to arbitrarily tie the OTHER hand behind their back.\*\* I don’t understand why Skeezix wanted a full claim from me, after I just claimed being Vote Charger. \*\* I was thinking that since I threw the charge to Skeezix, a known town, that I could verify my town alignment based on my charge power half alone. No one would need to know the other, better half of my power. \*\*Would go so far as to say that Skeezix was fishing on the behalf of town, and there was no damn good reason to. \*\* That’s what I’m saying. **Also, what Rysto has said.** ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/193 "2011-02-15T18:03:23Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Claiming doc when one can prove their towniness in another way is just stupid. There are some things that the town just doesn’t need to know. Yes. I’ve been advocating this for a long time. Although in this case, I’m not sure how using a power would prove one’s alignment. That’s a disadvantage of a closed setup, since the players don’t know which side has what powers. > [@Meeko](#): > > **Pleonast** : Town enters the game XX feet behind scum. It does Town no good to arbitrarily tie the OTHER hand behind their back.\*\* I don’t understand why Skeezix wanted a full claim from me, after I just claimed being Vote Charger. \*\* Nope, I can’t comprehend you. > [@](#): > > I was thinking that since I threw the charge to Skeezix, a known town, that I could verify my town alignment based on my charge power half alone. No one would need to know the other, better half of my power. > > \*\*Would go so far as to say that Skeezix was fishing on the behalf of town, and there was no damn good reason to. \*\* > > That’s what I’m saying. **Also, what Rysto has said.** This, I understand. Use of a vote-doubling power wouldn’t prove your alignment, if this were a closed game. But there is a reason to not give a full claim, since it would give scum information as well. The decision to reveal or not should be left in the hands of the player with the information. Once the game was opened, the vote-doubling power would be connected to the doctor role. So there is a pro-town reason to ask for a full claim–to make you explicitly commit to having that role. But there’s still the reason not to full claim, and the choice should go to who has the info. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/194 "2011-02-15T18:05:58Z")
I figured running this as a closed game was no biggie, by the way. It would have worked fairly well as an open game if I tweaked a couple roles. I didn’t feel the “re-skinning” of an older game would give either side a tremendous advantage, honestly. I was kind of curious how long it would take anyone to notice. RedSkeezix figured it out extremely early, but I guess his role was a big clue. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/195 "2011-02-15T18:18:27Z")
> [@Hotel of Heroes mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1303): > > Day 5 - Votes **Chronos**. After Red Skeezix asks everyone to choose between **Ben** and **Cookies** , Suburban finally votes for scum in the entire game by switching to **Ben**. However, this is after **Scuba Ben** is already mathematically eliminated (up 5:3, would win any tiebreaker, and Cookies still needed to switch her vote) I wouldn’t say I would have won the tiebreaker… ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/196 "2011-02-16T22:24:15Z")
Did the Day end? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/197 "2011-02-16T22:27:51Z")
still another 1.25 hours yet left in the day… ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/198 "2011-02-16T23:51:20Z")
What a fascinating game. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/199 "2011-02-17T00:14:01Z")
That was a fun Day to read. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/200 "2011-02-17T00:17:52Z")
Hello everyone! I have to go back and read this thread now. I’ll post here again once I collect my thoughts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680.md?page=11)