# No-tell Motel of Sidekicks Unspoiled Heroes Mafia Thread (Players Stay Out!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 15, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680 "2011-01-15T03:35:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/141 "2011-02-07T16:04:26Z")
Or my towndar, rather. Clearly the scum version needs an upgrade. _whacks it_ ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/142 "2011-02-07T16:26:32Z")
> [@These are my own pants](#): > > He is correct though Shhhhhhhhhhh! ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/143 "2011-02-07T16:45:47Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Hope it’s not Astral or I’ll have to recalibrate my scumdar. Honestly, I just threw that out there. I don’t even have a living player list in front of me. I would not be surprised if there was a scum that simply isn’t present enough for me to have noticed. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/144 "2011-02-07T16:48:49Z")
> [@These are my own pants](#): > > The problem was I had no useful info, everyone I investigated had been killed. What criteria did you use to select who you investigated? Was it bad luck or were these people destined to die soon? Pleonast seems like a solid enough choice, but given that both you and storyteller investigated him, I’m thinking there might have been sufficient reason to think Pleonast might be ‘on the block.’ Of the others, I guess Mental Guy and OAOW would be solid choices for possible longevity as well. ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/145 "2011-02-07T19:01:37Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Shhhhhhhhhhh! Sorry Mahaloth, shouldn’t have given that away ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/146 "2011-02-07T19:07:22Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > What criteria did you use to select who you investigated? Was it bad luck or were these people destined to die soon? > > Pleonast seems like a solid enough choice, but given that both you and storyteller investigated him, I’m thinking there might have been sufficient reason to think Pleonast might be ‘on the block.’ > > Of the others, I guess Mental Guy and OAOW would be solid choices for possible longevity as well. First person I investigated was Pleonast, for me he made a massive slip in trying to justify his vote on day one. MentalGuy was my numbefr two suspect but he was murdered. Redskeezix was going to be my next investigation, but I was murdered beforeb I got the result. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/147 "2011-02-08T15:27:05Z")
I’d love to comment, but I don’t think I can with jeopardizing the unspoiled. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/148 "2011-02-08T20:14:20Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I’d love to comment, but I don’t think I can with jeopardizing the unspoiled. I just can’t believe it’s the game where I finally figure out what you’ve been trying to say all this time that you turn out to be Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/149 "2011-02-08T20:26:25Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I just can’t believe it’s the game where I finally figure out what you’ve been trying to say all this time that you turn out to be Scum. 😃 I thought about commenting on how similar your outlook has begun to match mine, but I didn’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth. We can still argue about whether votes for self-preservation are pro-town or not. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/150 "2011-02-09T18:26:08Z")
I think we should try a game with 48 hour Days and 24 hour Nights. The players don’t seem to want the first 96 hours anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/151 "2011-02-09T18:55:28Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I think we should try a game with 48 hour Days and 24 hour Nights. The players don’t seem to want the first 96 hours anyway. I agree. I have a wonderful idea for a new game that would incorporate that and some other additional non-traditional rule changes. If you have a good game even in early setup, let me know and I’d love to share some new ideas with you. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/152 "2011-02-09T19:17:19Z")
I’d be happy with shorter cycles, except that weekends are typically impossible for me to play Mafia on. So I could easily miss a whole Day or a Night and half-Day. I’m sure I’m not the only one. But the real problem is not the length of the cycle, it’s the fact that this group still preferentially lynches the players who are most active. And so by late game, we’ve selected the players who don’t talk much to finish the game. It’s a real problem that makes the late games less appealing. My preferred solution is the multi-vote. Shorter Days hurt the town a lot (but not as much as low participation). I think multi-voting, where players can vote for multiple players at one time, help encourage participation and favors the town slightly. Players with votes on them tend to perk up and be active. Players should also be more willing to vote when it’s possible to vote for more. I think it was **storyteller** who came up with the idea first. I’ve used it ever since in my games. I wish others would use it as well. Also, I think there should be a minimum number of votes lynching threshold. I use 50%, but 40% or 51% work well too. Requiring more votes to lynch forces players to vote, which usually means they put some thought into the game. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/153 "2011-02-09T23:23:25Z")
> [@Hotel of Heroes mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1153): > > For the 100th time, playing against lurking scum bothers me, because I play to play and am always suspected because of it, especially when I’m Town. My beliefs exactly. Although in this particular case, the information revealed about **Cookies** ’ role is an aggravating factor. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/154 "2011-02-10T03:17:22Z")
Scuba and Idle are scum buddies. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/155 "2011-02-10T14:31:18Z")
Ah, the chain finally breaks! Meeko’s “I think he’s being coached” came from a (presumably) town player. Heh. Mahaloth can I be spoiled please? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/156 "2011-02-10T15:35:20Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Scuba and Idle are scum buddies. Idle’s a good choice. I’d forgotten about him. I’m very much hoping Scuba is scum, then I will feel better about myself in picking out Ed as scum. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/157 "2011-02-10T15:41:24Z")
> [@Hotel of Heroes mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1192): > > I’d like everyone to post their PMs before the next post they make (if they haven’t done so.) I think that’s logically impossible. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/73ab20/32.png) [@Shark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shark)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/158 "2011-02-10T17:50:49Z")
Quoting **Cookies** in post #1195, with bolding mine. Is this a big slip that no one caught, or is there another way to interpret this? "Seriously guys. Pretend it is tomorrow and take your best shot at who you’re going to vote for. Now vote for that guy and not me and chances are you’ll avoid a mislynch. It is really that easy I think. I chose Town. **I felt bad about hitting one of you before I was even your enemy** and I chose the high road. It sucked that I was outed when I was. I would not have killed if I weren’t exposed. It sucks that I hit the one fracking thing with an instant double-kill bonus." ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/159 "2011-02-10T17:53:03Z")
I saw that too, but it doesn’t make sense as a slip either. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/160 "2011-02-10T17:56:28Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I think that’s logically impossible. 🙂 Get your logic out of here! We have no need for you! 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680.md?page=9)