# No-tell Motel of Sidekicks Unspoiled Heroes Mafia Thread (Players Stay Out!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 15, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680 "2011-01-15T03:35:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/161 "2011-02-10T19:06:59Z")
> [@Shark](#): > > Quoting **Cookies** in post #1195, with bolding mine. Is this a big slip that no one caught, or is there another way to interpret this? She refers to the town mason she killed. As for Meeko’s claim I believe Mahaloth has given that power (doctor with you feel save message) to scum before. I didn’t follow the game enough to say he is scum though. Perhaps he’s not as panicky (as he normally is as town) because he’s holding his claimed potatoes from the start (so no surprises for him). ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/162 "2011-02-10T21:08:23Z")
Yay! I feel better about this game now. I was wrong about Pleonast; not totally wrong, I think in the given circumstances, the actions by Town were irrational, but obviously Pleonast was scum and I didn’t see that coming. I was right about storyteller. I was (presumably) wrong about Meeko though. I was right about ushi and Ed based on their ‘conversation.’ Not too terrible (for me). ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/163 "2011-02-10T21:13:11Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > On a metagamey front, Ed has recently been scum in two games where the scum lost, badly (and at least once through no fault of their own); he’d be more likely (IMO) to withdraw for “oh no here we go again” reasons if he was scum. (preens) ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/164 "2011-02-10T21:20:32Z")
That was a fun two Days. Too bad I was in for four; I’m still self-annoyed at my relapse. How’d I do on Days 1 and 4 as first time Scum? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/165 "2011-02-10T21:24:22Z")
Am I counting wrong or have there only been 3 lynches so far in the game: (1) Pleonast (2) ushi (3) Scuba\_Ben That’s 2 correct lynches to 1 incorrect lynch. Town could not possibly be at Lynch or Lose without the game being horribly unbalanced. Therefore there is a maximum of 2 scum left, one of which would have to be Cookies. If there is only one scum left, then Cookies is Town. If there are two scum left AND Cookies is Town, then the game had the potential of being terribly lopsided. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/166 "2011-02-10T21:27:03Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > But Pleonast’s interpretation is possible too. Is Scuba\_Ben notoriously a bizarre pronoun proponent? I’ve seen the odd pronouns pop up before, but I’ve never attributed them to a particular player. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > SP and Scuba had a conversation about “e” “eir” etc earlier in the game thread, I think before the game formally started. I am in fact known for using Spivak pronouns in MafiaScum, as SP remembered from International. I learned it from my years playing Agora Nomic, where Spivak pronouns are standard. (Unless the rules were amended to override the custom.) ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/167 "2011-02-10T21:28:10Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Am I counting wrong or have there only been 3 lynches so far in the game: > (1) Pleonast > (2) ushi > (3) Scuba\_Ben (0) Oredigger, Day 1. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/168 "2011-02-10T21:58:52Z")
Yeah, it’s 4 lynches, actually. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/169 "2011-02-10T22:20:37Z")
Hmm. Okay so the game is 2-2 then with 7 left. If there are 2 scum left then Town needs 4 correct lynches to win and scum need 4 mislynches to win. If there are 3 scum left then Town needs 5 correct lynches to win and scum need 3 mislynches to win. I’m still thinking there can’t be more than 2 scum left. Not as clear cut, but needing to lynch 5 scum in an 18 player game is a bit too much to be plausible. If there are 3 scum left, then Cookies MUST be one of them. Otherwise WTF? ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/170 "2011-02-11T03:38:49Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Hmm. Okay so the game is 2-2 then with 7 left. > > If there are 2 scum left then Town needs 4 correct lynches to win and scum need 4 mislynches to win. > If there are 3 scum left then Town needs 5 correct lynches to win and scum need 3 mislynches to win. > > I’m still thinking there can’t be more than 2 scum left. Not as clear cut, but needing to lynch 5 scum in an 18 player game is a bit too much to be plausible. If there are 3 scum left, then Cookies MUST be one of them. Otherwise WTF? I don’t follow. If there are 2 scum left why would town need 4 correct lynches? Also, assuming Cookies is telling the truth about her role, there could have been 4 scum to start and she could have joined them later. Back to my earlier comment, the exchange between Idle and Scuba in 1159-1164 strikes me as very much a scum on scum conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/171 "2011-02-11T03:41:40Z")
I assume that sach meant that the Town needed 4 correct lynches from the beginning of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/172 "2011-02-11T14:03:05Z")
Well. I will say this : I think we will take a good long hard look at repeating a previous game part and parcel before we try again. Really don’t think we have a chance after the 3 kills in one night. Don’t think our Cop would have known what to do, even if he had died last. Let me get caught up in here. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/173 "2011-02-11T14:11:07Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Just popping in to say congratulations to **Meeko** for his play toDay. Yeah, there were a few things that didn’t make sense, but he came off more like **peeker**. I think the secret is that he’s posting a little less often. Thanks. Good to know you have been watching. Can’t wait to see what you, and this thread in general thinks of me later in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/174 "2011-02-11T14:21:09Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Obviously, there’s still a lot of work to be done in getting players to realize that the revelation of information need not be a binary all or nothing. Was going to agree to this, before I saw who posted. :eek: \*\*I agree here Pleonast. \*\* I mean, how short lived was my gambit of being JUST the vote charger? I really thought that gambit had legs. I could prove / verify myself at a town power, and I thought I cast enough doubt that I wasn’t cop. But then again, apparently we were just playing Harry Potter again, so perhaps scum had it in for me. either way. To say nothing about that night I got redirected. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/175 "2011-02-11T14:32:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I really don’t think it’s fair to allow someone who is being openly hostile to play. I know **Meeko** was having a few problems for a bit, but at least his was always a small blowup and was followed by realizing that he messed up. He has a desire to fix himself. > > **Ushi** shows no such predilection. So I suggest that he be either banned from playing again for a while, or at least put on a short leash, where being remotely hostile will get him swapped out. 1. No, I think my blow ups were big. Definately used language that would have gotten me suspended. 2. That being said, it’s ancient history, and I don’t think would be appropriate to face consequences for them now. 3. No such blow up this game. 4. **Ushi** : You are welcome to play Mafia again [IMHO], just next time, don’t invite all of your diction. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/176 "2011-02-11T14:37:11Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And this isn’t personal: the reason I brought up **Meeko** is that I consider him as much a friend as you can get in a message board like this. If he had gotten angry and stayed that way, I’d have made the same suggestion to him. I said it once, and improved upon it in the second. It bears repeating : \*\*I would move mountains to play a game of Mafia with you, BigT. \*\* If we were town masons, all the more better. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/177 "2011-02-11T14:41:11Z")
> [@These are my own pants](#): > > The problem was I had no useful info, everyone I investigated had been killed. I shouldn’t be that surprised by this. I mean, given the overall play and outcome of this game. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/178 "2011-02-11T14:44:50Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > \*\*Meeko \*\*has such a strong motivation to improve his play style, I wonder how much of the change in his play we’re seeing in this Game is related to improvement vs being scum. Probably jumping this gun here, but certainly being a paranoid town power has more weight in on this, than not. But, I would like to think that my play is improving, on it’s own merit. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/179 "2011-02-11T15:37:59Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I mean, how short lived was my gambit of being JUST the vote charger? > > I really thought that gambit had legs. I could prove / verify myself at a town power, and I thought I cast enough doubt that I wasn’t cop. > > But then again, apparently we were just playing Harry Potter again, so perhaps scum had it in for me. either way. To say nothing about that night I got redirected. Very short lived to me. Zero in fact. I had already had a sense that you were the doc, it just got lost in my having a RL major issue on Monday night into Tuesday. Had I kept my wits about me, I probably would have remembered this and not pushed you into revealing. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/180 "2011-02-12T13:20:18Z")
Actually, I meant not “Doc”. But whatever, still moot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680.md?page=10)