# No-tell Motel of Sidekicks Unspoiled Heroes Mafia Thread (Players Stay Out!) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 15, 2011, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680 "2011-01-15T03:35:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 91
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680/91 "2011-01-31T16:54:55Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Pleonast’s lack of revisit probably should have tipped me off. A Town player would have at least put in a full claim and/or tirade. But I figured Pleonast really was busy and not laying low/giving up. Alas, it was out-of-game reasons which kept me from my usual participation level. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I’d also like very much to hear a full claim from Pleonast. He seemed to be quite eager to have the Town divulge information earlier on, but doesn’t seem terribly forthcoming with his own now. > > Suburban again. Ding, ding, ding we have a winnah. I think Pleo and Chipa are both scum. Chipa’s late vote switch doesn’t help him. Pushing for a mass claim and unilaterally revealing one’s own information are distinct actions. It’s quite reasonable to be for one and against the other. > [@ShadowFacts](#): > > OK, I grudgingly apologize to the town for the bad things I said about them. But it was still suboptimal play. They got lucky. > > **sach** , your idea of revealing Cookies as [killer] and [not Town] is perfect. It would have been brilliant. Of course, with this group it may not have mattered - they may have lynched \*\*Pleonast \*\*anyway! 🙂 I considered adjusting what I revealed, but my instinct is always to play as I would if I were town. There was no townie reason not to reveal everything–I wasn’t sure how dangerous **Cookies** is, so I wanted to let everyone see all the evidence I had. (Plus, I needed to get the info to my teammates.) And they got lucky that I was scum. Players should know by now that I don’t reveal information that I do not think will help town. The details of an investigator’s powers are one of those. Oh, and that reminds me: > [@Hotel of Heroes mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/755): > > Now, of course, it _is_ possible that a genuinely Town **Pleonast** is just being eccentric and is just holding back information for no good reason. But first of all, I’ve never liked the argument of “Oh, that’s just so-and-so being so-and-so, let’s give him a pass”. And second, if he’s being so eccentric that he’s trying to take information to the grave, is he even, practically speaking, a power role at all? Is he even going to bother telling us his next investigation result? A detective who doesn’t share is effectively no detective at all. This is so much nonsense. I wasn’t taking any information to the grave with me. I gave my one and only result. When dead, a player’s name, alignment, power, etc are all revealed by the moderator. > [@Hotel of Heroes mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/819): > > **3.** Buffy’s partner (it’s Angel, right? It’s gotta be Angel) should claim immediately, if not sooner. I am not Angel, nor Buffy’s partner. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Somehow it’s become conventional wisdom that a lone mason (either initial or after the others have died) must claim immediately. That is poor policy. What’s the worst that can happen for not claiming? A scum claiming to be the mason? That will provoke a counter-claim and you’ll get a one-for-one trade. Always a good thing for town. > [@Hotel of Heroes mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/822): > > **storyteller** , I’m just wondering what the advantage of revealing you have powers are if you don’t reveal what they are Obviously, there’s still a lot of work to be done in getting players to realize that the revelation of information need not be a binary all or nothing. > [@Hotel of Heroes mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/870): > > 1. Wolverine > Outside posting anything beyond “I don’t think this guy is Scum, but I’m voting for him anyway” there’s nothing there. Leaning Scum. > > 2. ScubaBen > I don’t think he even voted yesterDay. I’m not sure at what point you think someone is lurking too much, but I really, really don’t like the idea that a player doesn’t even vote. Leaning Scum. > > 3. suburbanplankton > Generally agree with his reasoning, but he doesn’t seem to be the first to put it out there. There’s the whole pronoun thing to. Leaning Scum. > > 4. Meeko > Deplorable math skills, but hasn’t done anything I’ve seen scummy. Leaning Town. > > 5. astralrejection > Consistently votes Wolverine. Most ineffectual Scum player ever or a Townie truly suspicious? Leaning Town. > > 6. cometothedarksidewehavecookies > I’m not going over **Cookies** ’ case again. She should be dead, but obviously has bewitched people in some sort of weird voodoo ritual. The sad thing is a **Cookie** vote toDay is more uncertain than one yesterDay. > > 7. storyteller > I don’t like the partial claim, especially because it just so happens that we can’t verify anything about it. Seems awfully convenient. On the fence. > > 8. Chronos > Couldn’t get his facts straight with a ruler. Couldn’t summon a coherent argument with 7 virgins to sacrifice and a pentagram made from Spock’s ashes. Leaning Scum. This is exactly what every player should be doing. Unfortunately, **ushi** ’s insults are blinding others to the useful contributions he is making. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-tell-motel-of-sidekicks-unspoiled-heroes-mafia-thread-players-stay-out/567680)._