# No thanks, I'll take my chances with the psychopath. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2012, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135 "2012-07-23T14:22:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/301 "2012-07-24T16:48:36Z")
Hope springs eternal. Well played, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/302 "2012-07-24T17:12:44Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > **Bosstone** > You said this. > _Claiming that you can make a shot from the back of the theater to the front through smoke and a panicked crowd is not the best way to do that. Una Persson’s few posts in this thread have been vastly more rational and intelligent than yours or Mr. Sheeple’s_ > (underlining mine) > I challenged asking where I’d said that. > You responded with this. > > _To them, anyone armed in that theater would have been a nut for owning a gun, a bigger nut for carrying it to the theater, and an even bigger nut for thinking he could hit a target 10 yards away with a carefully aimed shot._ > > If the two statements are the same to you, then we need to suspend further discussion until you’ve completd a reading comprehension course. Like I said, you’re ignoring the realities of the situation. But it’s good to see that you’re acknowledging that you couldn’t make the shot with smoke and a panicked crowd, only a carefully aimed shot from 10 yards with no visual or physical distractions. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/303 "2012-07-24T17:18:45Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Like I said, you’re ignoring the realities of the situation. But it’s good to see that you’re acknowledging that you couldn’t make the shot with smoke and a panicked crowd, only a carefully aimed shot from 10 yards with no visual or physical distractions. …and while you are stationary and waiting for that ideal shooting situation, the gunman can spray bullets at you because he doesn’t give a shit if he hits other people. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/304 "2012-07-24T17:45:25Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > **Kwimby** - These are basically good people, all of them. > > They don’t understand guns. When all else fails, condescention. Nice. Ya big cuntwaffle, the crux of this argument has nothing to do with guns or the extent to which they are understood by any of the good people of this thread. I’ve been around guns since I was 5–I’ve got a pretty handy understanding of ballistics, ammunition, the weapons that use it and the actions available. Also, I’m no chump when it comes to picking the right tool for a particular job. Lastly, I don’t think that particular skillset requires a great amount of intelligence so it should be readily grasped by most gun owners/users. Nevertheless: > [@Morgenstern](#): > > We need to convince them that there are intelligent, competent people who own guns, and that those people can act in a responsible manner in the worst of situations. I’m at a bit of a loss to recall a single event where a common citizen saved the day by unexpectedly producing any sort of sidearm. I’m sure it happens from time to time when the cardinal rule of concealed carry is forgotten and the weapon is merely brandished as a deterrent, and every now and then we hear about a legitemate self-defense scenario when some potential victim was not actively avoiding danger. Far more common are the tales of gun owners killing each other with unloaded guns. But, where are the accounts of “local boy foils bank robbery thanks to concealed carry?” When do we get to see “intelligent, competent people who own guns (acting) in a responsible manner in the worst of situations”? Yeah, there’s the awesome story of grandma being used as a human shield and retired Marine grandpa putting a round over his wife’s shoulder into the bad guy’s eyeball from across the living room, but where are the heros on the streets when “the worst situations” happen? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/305 "2012-07-24T17:58:24Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > But, where are the accounts of “local boy foils bank robbery thanks to concealed carry?” When do we get to see “intelligent, competent people who own guns (acting) in a responsible manner in the worst of situations”? Yeah, there’s the awesome story of grandma being used as a human shield and retired Marine grandpa putting a round over his wife’s shoulder into the bad guy’s eyeball from across the living room, but where are the heros on the streets when “the worst situations” happen? Let’s be fair, **dngb8** or whatever the hell his name is provided [this link](http://planet.infowars.com/guns/death-by-democide-the-reason-we-have-the-2nd-amendment) which does provide sources of 5 times when an armed civilian was able to stop a violent crime. However, I notice that the years of those 5 times are in 1997, 2007, 2007, 2011, and 2012. So we have 5 reported incidents in 15 years where an armed civilian successfully stopped violent crime. Maybe there’s more, but that sampling really ain’t much, and it says something that the article had to go back to 1997 to round it out to 5 incidents. ---
**Author:** ![kwimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@kwimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kwimby)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/306 "2012-07-24T17:58:49Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Bye now. Have fun. Thanks, already had it! I’ve really been quite amused at the irascible naivete of the misinformed, defenseless future victims here. I guess it has to hit closer to home before you “get it:” [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gun-sales-gun-classes-in-colo-skyrocket-after-dark-knight-shooting/](http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gun-sales-gun-classes-in-colo-skyrocket-after-dark-knight-shooting/) Wankers on a self-proclaimed ignorance-fighting site? Meh. It’s to be expected. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/307 "2012-07-24T18:04:51Z")
Would that you were amusing, but you’re the millionth deskbound Rambo we’ve had here. If you shut up and paid attention you’d realize that most of the people telling you you’re stupid are pro-gun. Not me, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/308 "2012-07-24T18:14:59Z")
> [@kwimby](#): > > Thanks, already had it! I’ve really been quite amused at the irascible naivete of the misinformed, defenseless future victims here. I guess it has to hit closer to home before you “get it:” > > [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gun-sales-gun-classes-in-colo-skyrocket-after-dark-knight-shooting/](http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gun-sales-gun-classes-in-colo-skyrocket-after-dark-knight-shooting/) > > Wankers on a self-proclaimed ignorance-fighting site? Meh. It’s to be expected. I get it-people are panicking and overreacting to a very rare situation. Thank you for pointing that out, but that type of panicked response usually happens after a tragedy like this occurs. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/309 "2012-07-24T18:49:33Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > . . .–I’ve got a pretty handy understanding of ballistics, ammunition, the weapons that use it and the actions available. . . . > > Far more common are the tales of gun owners killing each other with unloaded guns. > > . . . What did they do, beat each other over the head with them? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/310 "2012-07-24T18:52:43Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > What did they do, beat each other over the head with them? I’m going to read this as “jest.” Let me know if I’m worng about that, cupcake. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/311 "2012-07-24T18:54:26Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > What did they do, beat each other over the head with them? No. They are wrong about them being unloaded. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/312 "2012-07-24T18:56:49Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > What did they do, beat each other over the head with them? ProTip: Trying to be funny often does not work, when the alternative explanation (your comment is dumb as a fucking post) seems to fit better. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/313 "2012-07-24T19:06:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No. They are wrong about them being unloaded. So I get it. When you run out of whining and whistling, then you can resort to other unrelated events, or make something up. **Czarcasm,** I’ve come to the conclusion that you, more than anyone on this board, are too stupid to be trusted with an idea, let alone a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/314 "2012-07-24T19:08:31Z")
At least he can’t shoot anyone with an idea. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/315 "2012-07-24T19:10:15Z")
If it wouldn’t cause a rumpus for being too similar to **Monkey with a Gun,** I’d completely change my screen name to **Monkey with an Idea**. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/316 "2012-07-24T19:10:22Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > So I get it. When you run out of whining and whistling, then you can resort to other unrelated events, or make something up. > > **Czarcasm,** I’ve come to the conclusion that you, more than anyone on this board, are too stupid to be trusted with an idea, let alone a gun. And if you ever come up with a valid idea we’ll test your little theory. Dude, the “shot with an unloaded weapon” meme has got to be the most common one among those who actually know anything about guns. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/317 "2012-07-24T19:30:24Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > What did they do, beat each other over the head with them? I chuckled. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/318 "2012-07-24T19:51:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Dude, the “shot with an unloaded weapon” meme has got to be the most common one among those who actually know anything about guns. I know someone who got pregnant that way. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/319 "2012-07-24T19:59:23Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > I know someone who got pregnant that way. I thought they only puffed _rice_ that way! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135/320 "2012-07-24T21:36:30Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > At least he can’t shoot anyone with an idea. This guy? He can’t home one into the chamber. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/no-thanks-ill-take-my-chances-with-the-psychopath/629135.md?page=17)